bjplayer21: Why was i banned from every table game at PLANET HOLLYWOOD??

[bjplayer21]

> Did they back you off of all table games and tell you
> that you were welcome to stay and play non-table games
> or did they escort you out? It can't be both. If it
> was one first and then the other, what happened to
> escalate the situation.

during my play of a split hand, the pit manager, who was not in the pit until that moment, asked me if he could have a few words with me. i said, can i play out my hand, he said yes. so i did, and busted both, and then stepped back (6 security guards standing around). he asked to see my ID, i said, "my drivers license?", he said, "yes." i gave it to him, he went over to the computer in the pit, with the pit boss and they scrutinized my id with the computer screen, then came back to me, and said that they would like me to get my chips, cash out, and leave. i asked what the problem, was and if i did something wrong. all he would say, and repeat, is that it's a management decision, that they would not like to play any table games ever at PH. He said i could play anything but table games, i could use the facilites, the restaurants, the shows, but they dont want me to play table games. then he shook my hand, i said ok, thanks, and he walked off, and the big security guy who was immediately standing with me, asked me if i was parked in valet. i said no.. i was walking. he said they were gonna escort me to the cage, and then out. they never said i couldnt come back, they just made it clear that they wanted me out at that moment, and when if i did come back, they i was not allowed to play any table games. not even craps.

Why were you playing a 6:5
> game with a weak spread? No competent counter would do
> that.
i was playing single deck with KO. that spread is 1:5 max. my bets were $25 -$125. how is that weak or not competent? i dont play shoes, i rarely do double deck. if 6:5 is the only game in town for the most part for single deck, thats what im gonna play...if i play. so im not sure what my reaction is supposed to be on this comment.
If you are a non-counting AP, why post this
> here?

It is fairly obvious what the casino thought you
> were doing and that would explain the ban from all
> table games and not just blackjack.

its not obvious to me....if they thought i was counting, and i was a SERIOUS THREAT to planet hollywood because i bought in for $1000 after losing a previous $200 buy in...who backs you off from games you dont even play...i dont play poker...i dont play pai gow,...no baccarat, no mini bacc. no three card...no nothing other than bj, and craps, which i had not even been playing there--craps that is).

i find it hard to believe that of all these "experts" on this site, no one has any idea what the heck happened to cause this place to react so weird towards me; except insult me.

thats why i was hoping for someone on the inside to lookup my account, and see what, if any, notes are on my account regarding my play. its not like anythings gonna change there; i just would like a true explanation.

[Parker]

> Why were you playing a 6:5
> i was playing single deck with KO. that spread is 1:5
> max. my bets were $25 -$125. how is that weak or not
> competent? i dont play shoes, i rarely do double deck.
> if 6:5 is the only game in town for the most part for
> single deck, thats what im gonna play...if i play. so
> im not sure what my reaction is supposed to be on this
> comment.

You seem to be unaware that reducing the BJ payout to 6:5 increases the house advantage to a whopping 1.45%. In addition, the reduced BJ payout reduces the effects of removal, thus making card counting less effective. There is no way you will overcome this with KO and a 1-5 spread. Bottom line: You were playing a losing game, and you seem to be unaware of this fact, which is why some of the responses to your post have been of a skeptical nature.

> i find it hard to believe that of all these
> "experts" on this site, no one has any idea
> what the heck happened to cause this place to react so
> weird towards me; except insult me.

No one is insulting you. As I explained above, the skepticism of some respondents is understandable, since you were playing a losing game.

However, the answer is likely there if you read between the lines a bit. While the 6:5 single deck game cannot be beaten by counting cards, any game in the casino can be beaten under the right circumstances with the right techniques.

I believe that you were the victim of a case of mistaken identity.

[bjplayer21]

> You seem to be unaware that reducing the BJ payout to
> 6:5 increases the house advantage to a whopping 1.45%.
> In addition, the reduced BJ payout reduces the effects
> of removal, thus making card counting less effective.
> There is no way you will overcome this with KO and a
> 1-5 spread. Bottom line: You were playing a losing
> game, and you seem to be unaware of this fact, which
> is why some of the responses to your post have been of
> a skeptical nature.

> No one is insulting you. As I explained above, the
> skepticism of some respondents is understandable,
> since you were playing a losing game.

> However, the answer is likely there if you read
> between the lines a bit. While the 6:5 single deck
> game cannot be beaten by counting cards, any game in
> the casino can be beaten under the right circumstances
> with the right techniques.

> I believe that you were the victim of a case of
> mistaken identity.
well that just sucks! and i have no recourse do i?

[bjplayer21]

> You seem to be unaware that reducing the BJ payout to
> 6:5 increases the house advantage to a whopping 1.45%.
> In addition, the reduced BJ payout reduces the effects
> of removal, thus making card counting less effective.
> There is no way you will overcome this with KO and a
> 1-5 spread. Bottom line: You were playing a losing
> game, and you seem to be unaware of this fact, which
> is why some of the responses to your post have been of
> a skeptical nature.

> No one is insulting you. As I explained above, the
> skepticism of some respondents is understandable,
> since you were playing a losing game.

> However, the answer is likely there if you read
> between the lines a bit. While the 6:5 single deck
> game cannot be beaten by counting cards, any game in
> the casino can be beaten under the right circumstances
> with the right techniques.

> I believe that you were the victim of a case of
> mistaken identity.
by the way... although i am aware of the "losing" aspect of a 6:5 game (which is all there is for single deck), if someone playing this game never, or very rarely gets any blackjacks at a particular table, what difference does it make that its only a 6:5 payout? why is there such a fuss made on this aspect. las vegas games are not what they used to be anymore. especially after the horeshoe ended its tenure.

[Parker]

> by the way... although i am aware of the
> "losing" aspect of a 6:5 game (which is all
> there is for single deck), if someone playing this
> game never, or very rarely gets any blackjacks at a
> particular table, what difference does it make that
> its only a 6:5 payout? why is there such a fuss made
> on this aspect. las vegas games are not what they used
> to be anymore. especially after the horeshoe ended its
> tenure.

If you are playing somewhere where you "never, or very rarely gets any blackjacks at a particular table," then you should leave immediately - you are being cheated. While you may get occasional dry spells where you go long periods without a BJ, on average you will get one approximately once every 21 hands. Thus, changing the BJ payout has a HUGE effect on the overall house advantage. See the link below for a graphic representation of this.

You are far, far better off playing an 8 deck shoe than a 6:5 single deck game.

6:5 Blackjack

[Trapper]

Thanks for the whole story. Weird that they would tell you that you were welcome to play (but not table games) and then chuck you out.

Didn't mean to cause you offence. You now know that you shouldn't waste your time playing 6:5 BJ unless you have some information outside of counting that will allow you to beat the game. As Parker said, it was probably a case of mistaken identity. The other explanation is that your name was in their file from a previous incident or as a result of information sharing with another casino.

You would really be better off flat betting an 8 deck shoe than using a 4 to 1 spread on a 6:5 BJ single deck game. There are much better games at Planet Hollywood.

It is very unlikely anyone here has info from the PH computer system and they would be risking their jobs (at least) by passing that info to you.

[bjplayer21]

> Thanks for the whole story. Weird that they would tell
> you that you were welcome to play (but not table
> games) and then chuck you out.

> Didn't mean to cause you offence. You now know that
> you shouldn't waste your time playing 6:5 BJ unless
> you have some information outside of counting that
> will allow you to beat the game. As Parker said, it
> was probably a case of mistaken identity. The other
> explanation is that your name was in their file from a
> previous incident or as a result of information
> sharing with another casino.

> You would really be better off flat betting an 8 deck
> shoe than using a 4 to 1 spread on a 6:5 BJ single
> deck game. There are much better games at Planet
> Hollywood.

> It is very unlikely anyone here has info from the PH
> computer system and they would be risking their jobs
> (at least) by passing that info to you.

ok thanks. kind of makes the whole aspect of less decks being better for players SUCK.

[mikmuk]

> ok thanks. kind of makes the whole aspect of less
> decks being better for players SUCK.

bj, they probably thought you cheat.

[bjplayer21]

> bj, they probably thought you cheat.
well how stupid are these casino people???

if im capable of cheating the game, i'd be sure i'd be betting yellow chips, not measley greens, with 1 chip minimums. vegas sucks!

[Trapper]

> bj, they probably thought you cheat.

If they thought he was cheating, the security escort makes sense but not the "you are welcome to stay and play non-table games" offer. Most likely, they considered him an AP.

[Praying Mantis]

> i was playing single deck with KO. that spread is 1:5
> max. my bets were $25 -$125. how is that weak or not
> competent? i dont play shoes, i rarely do double deck.
> if 6:5 is the only game in town for the most part for
> single deck, thats what im gonna play.

I play KO and would never play a 6:5 game with such a spread. ..1 to 5 in this game is very weak. I play a bigger spreads at SD, 3:2 games. Hell, I'd never play a 6:5 game period with straight counting. (well, maybe I should say NEVER) You get a better game at the shoes AND double deck than this SD.

Obviously they thought you were doing something else...perhaps, even cheating...collusion???

If that's the best game they got there, you haven't lost anything providing they don't flyer you around town...I believe they may have even done you a favor!

Regards,
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