rookiego21: House edge for Special Pontoon game

[rookiego21]

This is a very special pontoon game. I am unable to run the sim because of 1 very odd rule: re-redouble allowed.

These are the rules:

6D, all tens removed.

Player b.j beat dealer b.j.
Player hard 21 beat dealer 21( exclude soft 21)
b.j pays 3:2.
Dealer hit soft 17.
No Hole card.
ES V 10.
Double after split allowed.
Split up to 4 hands including Ace.

SPecial bonus:
777 same suit 10:1
777 mixed suit 3:1
678 same suit 3:1
5 card hard 21 3:2
3 or 4 cards 21 1:1
bonus wins immediately.

DOUBLE BETS: CAN DOUBLE UP TO 3 TIMES. IF YOU HIT HARD 21, YOUR DOUBLE BETS WILL BE PAID 3:2 FOR ALL BETS.

Eg. you have 7 points, u double n hit a 2(9 points), u redouble n hit a 2(11 points), u re-redouble n hit picture(total 21). U win 4 X 1.5 = 6 times your original bet.

Can someone enlighten me what is the off the top house edge?

thanks

[Don Schlesinger]

I think you missed something, but I need to clarify. You wrote: "Eg. you have 7 points, u double n hit a 2(9 points), u redouble n hit a 2(11 points), u re-redouble n hit picture(total 21). U win 4 X 1.5 = 6 times your original bet."

If you re-redouble, you would have 8 units riding, not 4. If the 8 paid 1.5, that would be 12, not 6, right?

Don

[rookiego21]

> I think you missed something, but I need to clarify.
> You wrote: "Eg. you have 7 points, u double n hit
> a 2(9 points), u redouble n hit a 2(11 points), u
> re-redouble n hit picture(total 21). U win 4 X 1.5 = 6
> times your original bet."

> If you re-redouble, you would have 8 units riding, not
> 4. If the 8 paid 1.5, that would be 12, not 6, right?

> Don
O.k...i will double check the game rules & let u know...thks.

[rookiego21]

Let me summarises the very long rules for this game again.

6D, NHC, H17, ES10, SP3(include Ace), DAS, b.j pay 3:2. all tens are removed.

1. player b.j always beat dealer b.j.
2. Player HARD 21 always beat dealer 21.(EXCLUDE SOFT 21)

Bonus:
1. 777 same suit 10:1
2. 777 mixed suit 3:1
3. 678 same suit 3:1
4. 5 card hard 21 3:2

THE MOST INTERESTING RULE:

1. DOUBLE YOUR BET UP TO 3 TIMES ( ONE UNIT OF ORIGINAL BET EACH TIME)
2. U CAN SURRENDER AFTER YOU DOUBLE(EXCEPT DLR Ace)
3. YOU CAN HIT AFTER YOU DOUBLE/REDOUBLE/RE-REDOUBLE!!!

Eg you bet 1 unit, u have 7 points, u double with 1 unit & you hit a 2(total 9 pts). u redouble 1 unit & hit a 2 (total 11 points). u re-redouble 1unit & hit a face card(total 21). u are paid 4 units x 1.5 = 6 units cos hard 21 pays 3:2.

another eg. You have 11 points n u double down...u hit a 2 (total 13). U can hit again(without re-doubliing)!!! AFTER YOU REDOUBLE, YOU can also hit again without adding another unit!!!

I think the explanation is concise enough....

CV Data or SBA is unable to run the sim as the special doubling rules is very different....unless the program is modified to this interesting rule...

[Dog Hand]

> 2. Player HARD 21 always beat dealer 21.(EXCLUDE SOFT
> 21)

So if the player has 5-7-9 and the dealer has A-4-6, then the player does NOT win?

If the player has A-2-8, he does not beat the dealer's 4-8-9?

Dog Hand

[rookiego21]

> So if the player has 5-7-9 and the dealer has A-4-6,
> then the player does NOT win?

> If the player has A-2-8, he does not beat the dealer's
> 4-8-9?

> Dog Hand
No. what i meant is; player hard 21 will alway beat dealer any 21. player soft 21 will push dealer any 21(soft or hard).

Thanks for asking...

[TRUEGO]

I'm no longer rookie.lol

I got details for this game, thanks for your post^^

[rookiego21]

> I'm no longer rookie.lol

> I got details for this game, thanks for your post^^

Hi, Truego......Yes, you may have the details of this game...have you wonder that you strategy is not perfect?

I saw you guys played before but i felt something is not right with the strategy. The emphasis on redoubling may be too strong, it may not be a positive EV play.

If you can, i just need you to tell me the off-the top house edge....

Then i will judge whether it is worthwhile to write a simulation program for this game...thanks

[TRUEGO]

You seems to know me, but i dont know who you are. I think it's not fair.

If you really know me and want to ask me something, email me with your name.

[rookiego21]

> You seems to know me, but i dont know who you are. I
> think it's not fair.

> If you really know me and want to ask me something,
> email me with your name.

actually, i don't know you...i just saw some players playing the game from the same country....so i presume you must know them or part of them...sorry.

Can i have your email? thanks...

[sa]

> 5 card hard 21 3:2

i know the game.
the correct rule is
5 or more card hard 21 3:2