past crazy: CVData Version 3 planning

[past crazy]

Hi Norm,
Can the current version sim the "original and busted bets only rule"? If not, could it be worth the effort adding?
Thanks.

[Norm Wattenberger]

ENHC and OBO are supported, but not the Australian OBBO. I'll look at what it takes for support.

> Hi Norm,
> Can the current version sim the
> "original and busted bets only
> rule"? If not, could it be worth the
> effort adding?
> Thanks.

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[Magician]

> Hi Norm,
> Can the current version sim the
> "original and busted bets only
> rule"? If not, could it be worth the
> effort adding?
> Thanks.

Past Crazy, where you play if you split against a ten or ace, bust the original hand and the dealer gets blackjack, what happens? It seems the correct thing would be not to take any more bets but I believe some places will always take one more bet.

Also, if you are silly enough to double a hard hand, bust and the dealer gets blackjack you should lose only one bet, correct? What do you think the chances are that the dealer or floorperson will get this right?

[Norm Wattenberger]

I think it's really supposed to be easier for the dealer since the dealer is allowed to take busted split hands (and their bets) off the table immediately. DD bets are handled the same as OBO or hole card with no peek.

> Past Crazy, where you play if you split
> against a ten or ace, bust the original hand
> and the dealer gets blackjack, what happens?
> It seems the correct thing would be not to
> take any more bets but I believe some places
> will always take one more bet.

> Also, if you are silly enough to double a
> hard hand, bust and the dealer gets
> blackjack you should lose only one bet,
> correct? What do you think the chances are
> that the dealer or floorperson will get this
> right?

[Magician]

> I think it's really supposed to be easier
> for the dealer since the dealer is allowed
> to take busted split hands (and their bets)
> off the table immediately.

Yes, I was trying to establish whether there are in fact two variations of the OBBO rule. Suppose I have 88 vs A, split once and bust the first hand but not the second. The busted hand and bet (which is also the original bet) is always taken at this point. Now, I believe if the dealer has blackjack some places will always take one more bet from the player even though it is not the original bet. This case is so rare I'm not sure if this is house policy or dealer error.

> DD bets are
> handled the same as OBO or hole card with no
> peek.

Unless the double busts. With OBO the hand and bets should be left on the table until the dealer's hand is resolved. With OBBO the hand and bets should be taken immediately.

[Magician]

I wrote:
> Also, if you are silly enough to double a
> hard hand, bust and the dealer gets
> blackjack you should lose only one bet,
> correct? What do you think the chances are
> that the dealer or floorperson will get this
> right?

Disregard that. It applies to OBO, not OBBO.

[past crazy]

> Yes, I was trying to establish whether there
> are in fact two variations of the OBBO rule.
> Suppose I have 88 vs A, split once and bust
> the first hand but not the second. The
> busted hand and bet (which is also the
> original bet) is always taken at this point.
> Now, I believe if the dealer has blackjack
> some places will always take one more bet
> from the player even though it is not the
> original bet. This case is so rare I'm not
> sure if this is house policy or dealer
> error.

As I understand it, the rule you describe is house policy and the only version in Australia. If you split 88 and bust any hand, you lose both units if dealer gets BJ. If you split 88, DD one hand and bust the other, you lose 2 units and keep one.

> Unless the double busts. With OBO the hand
> and bets should be left on the table until
> the dealer's hand is resolved. With OBBO the
> hand and bets should be taken immediately.

I don't know of any game that has OBBO and DA2 together. If there is such a game don't ask me what happens

[Magician]

> As I understand it, the rule you describe is
> house policy and the only version in
> Australia. If you split 88 and bust any
> hand, you lose both units if dealer gets BJ.
> If you split 88, DD one hand and bust the
> other, you lose 2 units and keep one.

Thanks very much. So there's only one variation and it's not so much the original bet that is taken on a dealer blackjack as any bet that's left for the taking.

> I don't know of any game that has OBBO and
> DA2 together. If there is such a game don't
> ask me what happens

Maybe these places should go ENHC and DA2. Make life easier for everybody.

I guess the only place to play this combination of rules will be CVBJ.

[MGP]

> As I understand it, the rule you describe is
> house policy and the only version in
> Australia. If you split 88 and bust any
> hand, you lose both units if dealer gets BJ.
> If you split 88, DD one hand and bust the
> other, you lose 2 units and keep one.

So it's really BBO - i.e. it's Busted Bets plus One.

That's a real shame since I had just finished adding OBBO to my CA including busted doubles after splits and everything

So is there a game anywhere that's actually OBBO, i.e. only the actual original bet and busted bets are taken?

> I don't know of any game that has OBBO and
> DA2 together. If there is such a game don't
> ask me what happens

What are you referring to with DA2? Do you mean double any 2 or double after split or something else?

Thanks in advance,
MGP

[past crazy]

> Thanks very much. So there's only one
> variation

Actually don?t quote me on that, I can?t account for all 13 casinos but I think the mix up comes from a misleading name of the rule

> and it's not so much the original
> bet that is taken on a dealer blackjack as
> any bet that's left for the taking.

Yep.

[past crazy]

> So it's really BBO - i.e. it's Busted Bets
> plus One.

Yep. Another way I've heard it is "lose 1 unit to non busted hands," which also makes more sense.

> That's a real shame since I had just
> finished adding OBBO to my CA including
> busted doubles after splits and everything
>

Ah... Bummer!

> So is there a game anywhere that's actually
> OBBO, i.e. only the actual original bet and
> busted bets are taken?

Not that I know, but I can't be 100% sure.

> What are you referring to with DA2? Do you
> mean double any 2 or double after split or
> something else?

Yes, I was referring to DA2 as in double any first 2 cards. Most casinos here are D9 (double totals of 9, 10 & 11 only) therefore making it impossible to bust any doubled hands.

> Thanks in advance,
> MGP

No worries, any time!

[Ed Tice]

Hi Norm,

Speaking of enhancement requests (or maybe this is a feature I don't know about!), any chance of getting CVData to simulate any "hand interaction" situations? Like buying (or selling) a split card.. .jumping in on doubles for less...

Ed

> Hi Norm,
> Can the current version sim the
> "original and busted bets only
> rule"? If not, could it be worth the
> effort adding?
> Thanks.

[Norm Wattenberger]

A bit difficult to specify. How much is the other player(s) betting. Have to give this some thought.

> Hi Norm,

> Speaking of enhancement requests (or maybe
> this is a feature I don't know about!), any
> chance of getting CVData to simulate any
> "hand interaction" situations?
> Like buying (or selling) a split card..
> .jumping in on doubles for less...

> Ed

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