Don Schlesinger: Read messages turning red

[Don Schlesinger]

I need some help, please.

When you read a message, the title turns from red to gray. Mine are turning back to red after I read them! So, except for the fact that a "NEW" should appear next to new messages (but still doesn't always), I can't quickly see those posts that I've already read, because they don't stay gray.

I run Netscape 7.0 and my History is set to remember visited pages for 9 days and there are 50 pages in a session history. I have no idea if any of this matters.

Any help would be appreciated in getting the read, previously red, posts to stay gray!

Thanks.

Don

[Don Schlesinger]

Forty-seven readers and no proposed solutions!

Must really be a tough problem to solve.

Don

[T-Hopper]

> Forty-seven readers and no proposed
> solutions!

> Must really be a tough problem to solve.

Or maybe no one else has upgraded to Netscape 7.0 yet.

[Parker]

> Forty-seven readers and no proposed
> solutions!

> Must really be a tough problem to solve.

> Don

Well, I'm using a different (but related) browser (Moziilla) on a completely different operating system (Linux).

Furthermore, I have not personally experienced the problem at all. My completely wild-assed guess would be that somehow your browser history or cache is clearing itself. Other than checking your history and cache settings, I have no suggestions.

[T-Hopper]

> Well, I'm using a different (but related)
> browser (Moziilla) on a completely different
> operating system (Linux).

Have you tried Galeon? It's based on Mozilla with a ton of extra features.

[paranoid android]

I use Galeon on Linux but I've always had one very annoying problem with it when using it on advantageplayer.com: every link I click on on this site generates a popup window with a list of usernames I've posted under on this site, all of them being the same (paranoid android). Everytime I post a new message it seems to add another identical username in the list. It's extremely annoying. I've not seen this behavior on any other website. Have you seen this when using Galeon on this site T-Hopper? It didn't do this until after I posted my first message.

Any Mozilla users ever experience this? Galeon is built from the Mozilla engine. Not only does Galeon have some nice features that aren't available in Mozilla it also uses less memory (by a large degree) since it only contains a browser (no builtin email client or newsgroup reader or anything else - I believe it also uses the GTK toolkit, whereas Mozilla rebuilt their GUI toolkit from scratch) which makes it faster and more responsive.

> Have you tried Galeon? It's based on Mozilla
> with a ton of extra features.

[Parker]

I had a similar problem when I first started using Mozilla.

The first time you post to the site, you will get a pop-up which says "Remember values for this form?" or something similar. Always select "Never for this site." If you select "yes," you will experience the problem you are having.

Since you have already made the selection, delete your cache, history and cookies, and you will probably be given another shot at it.

[Norm Wattenberger]

You have no idea how much of a pain poorly constructed browsers are to web developers. Forget Mozilla and Opera ? they are fathoms under our radar. No one cares about them. A few people even still cling to pure-text browsers for some purist reason. Netscape drives us mad. It is one-fifth the speed of IE, supports a tiny subset of IE functionality, has a completely different set of bugs in each release all of which must be handled. We need to test what version of Netscape a user has to code around its famous bugs. Most of the web developers I have talked to pray for its death.

Don?t get me wrong. Personally, I think that Bill Gates has probably committed serious anti-trust crimes, has caused his own share of damage, and deserves jail time more than many of the people currently guests of the State. But, Microsoft won the browser war. The fact that he cheated is not relevant. It is just too much for every web site to limit itself to the tiny intersection of browser technology. Much as many developers can?t stand Bill Gates, we partially write off any user that chooses a non-MS solution. We also limit ourselves in numerous manners to keep our websites readable by those that do not use IE. Windows may be the worst operating system ever conceived. But, IE6 is an excellent browser and that is what web developers code for.

[Parker]

> You have no idea how much of a pain poorly
> constructed browsers are to web developers.
> Forget Mozilla and Opera ? they are fathoms
> under our radar. No one cares about them. A
> few people even still cling to pure-text
> browsers for some purist reason.

Hey! I have a perfectly functional version of Lynx on my laptop and still use it occasionally. It is quite adequate for message boards such as these, and is a real timesaver when stuck in a hotel room somewhere with a slow dialup connection.

I had high hopes for Opera, but the present version seems to be quite buggy - it crashes frequently on my system, and occasionally takes the GUI down with it.

> Netscape
> drives us mad. It is one-fifth the speed of
> IE, supports a tiny subset of IE
> functionality, has a completely different
> set of bugs in each release all of which
> must be handled. We need to test what
> version of Netscape a user has to code
> around its famous bugs. Most of the web
> developers I have talked to pray for its
> death.

> Don?t get me wrong. Personally, I think that
> Bill Gates has probably committed serious
> anti-trust crimes, has caused his own share
> of damage, and deserves jail time more than
> many of the people currently guests of the
> State. But, Microsoft won the browser war.
> The fact that he cheated is not relevant. It
> is just too much for every web site to limit
> itself to the tiny intersection of browser
> technology. Much as many developers can?t
> stand Bill Gates, we partially write off any
> user that chooses a non-MS solution. We also
> limit ourselves in numerous manners to keep
> our websites readable by those that do not
> use IE. Windows may be the worst operating
> system ever conceived. But, IE6 is an
> excellent browser and that is what web
> developers code for.

I agree that IE is probably the least offensive of the Microsoft products. They actually make decent software - just lousy operating systems.

If IE is ever ported to Linux I would probably use it.

But I'm not holding my breath. :-)

[paranoid android]

I agree that MS makes great applications and terrible operating systems (but they're getting less terrible with each release). However, I think most web developers' complaints about Netscape are due to the fact that they develop for IE first, then once it is working they try to get it to work with other browsers. It can be frustrating after you think you've got a web page working flawlessly to find out it doesn't work on other browsers. If people developed for Netscape first, you would see similar complaints about IE. At least some of the incompatibility is due to the fact that MS doesn't follow all HTML standards, and doesn't try to, whereas Netscape does. Of course MS doesn't need to since they make the predominant browser so they feel free to create their own standards.

As far as speed is concerned, I haven't used Netscape recently on Windows, but I find the latest version of IE slow as hell on my P400 (I know, I need a newer system). Galeon on Linux on the same system runs circles around it as far as speed is concerned, and I've found very few sites in the past year that I've had trouble viewing (other than the annoying username popup I experienced on this website - thanks Parker for the suggestion - I finally found the password manager and was able to fix the problem).

> You have no idea how much of a pain poorly
> constructed browsers are to web developers.
> Forget Mozilla and Opera ? they are fathoms
> under our radar. No one cares about them. A
> few people even still cling to pure-text
> browsers for some purist reason. Netscape
> drives us mad. It is one-fifth the speed of
> IE, supports a tiny subset of IE
> functionality, has a completely different
> set of bugs in each release all of which
> must be handled. We need to test what
> version of Netscape a user has to code
> around its famous bugs. Most of the web
> developers I have talked to pray for its
> death.

> Don?t get me wrong. Personally, I think that
> Bill Gates has probably committed serious
> anti-trust crimes, has caused his own share
> of damage, and deserves jail time more than
> many of the people currently guests of the
> State. But, Microsoft won the browser war.
> The fact that he cheated is not relevant. It
> is just too much for every web site to limit
> itself to the tiny intersection of browser
> technology. Much as many developers can?t
> stand Bill Gates, we partially write off any
> user that chooses a non-MS solution. We also
> limit ourselves in numerous manners to keep
> our websites readable by those that do not
> use IE. Windows may be the worst operating
> system ever conceived. But, IE6 is an
> excellent browser and that is what web
> developers code for.

[Don Schlesinger]

I tried using IE for a while, before upgrading to Netscape 7.0. With my optonline connection, Netscape is faster.

Don

[Igor]

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