MrAnanzi: Agua Caliente & Spa Casinos

[MrAnanzi]

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Have they gone back to using 6D shoes, or are they still using the shufflemaster CSMs that they installed last summer?

Thanks in advance...

[VerdugoJohn]

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> Have they gone back to using 6D shoes, or are they
> still using the shufflemaster CSMs that they installed
> last summer?

> Thanks in advance...

last i heard 50% csm, 50% hand

[Parker]

> last i heard 50% csm, 50% hand

This is also what I have heard, although I have not personally been up that way in several months.

[Dog Hand]

This is a fragement of a post I made on GC West in late December...

First, the bad news: the Spa changed from S17 to H17 about two months ago. Also, since the Agua Caliente is owned by the same tribe, I would assume that A.C. also changed to H17, though I didn't get there to see for myself. Spa had plenty of 6D tables, with mins as low as $10, that weren't crowded. They also had two DD tables, with exceedingly crappy rules: H17, D10, NoDAS, and a penetration that you have to see to believe, because they start by burning half a deck, then they insert the shuffle card about a half-deck from the bottom, for a pen. of 50% on average, though if you look around, you'll find a few who'll give 60% (and others closer to 40%!). The mins on the DD tables were sometimes $25, and other times $15. Also, Spa replaced their CSM's with SD 6:5 crapjack, with the same crappy rules as for DD.

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

[Parker]

Your info on the Spa matches my info (and Trackjack as well).

Just because the casinos are under the same ownership does not necessarily mean that the rules/conditions are the same. I don't assume anything.

My most recent info (mid-Dec) is that Agua Caliente is still S17, with about ten 6D shoes, ten CSM tables, and a couple of crappy DD games with conditions as you describe.

If you (or anyone else) has any first-hand info to the contrary, I'd love to hear about it.

[Dog Hand]

Parker,

Sorry about the confusion... I only meant that, from my first-hand knowledge, Spa had no CSM's as of mid-October.

As I indicated above, I never got to visit Agua Caliente, so my only knowledge of their conditions came from replies by dealers to my queries.

I guess we all know how valuable the information freely given by BJ dealers is! ;-)

Dog Hand

[VerdugoJohn]

> last i heard 50% csm, 50% hand

sorry, i answered the above without thinking very much

I believe ACal is 50/50 on the shoe games for hand/csm, i don't think they have any double deck--and i believe $10 is the minimum on all tables

I don't know what the situation is at the SPA re csm/hand shuffles, however, I believe $15 is the lowest table on their shoes...SPA has some DD, but it is D10...and although some say 50% pen on that game, i recall seeing about an 80% one morning last year -- it was the $25 min table, and at that pen, it seemed like a play to me...

i like both places