brandnewtobj: Beatable games?

[brandnewtobj]

I am not ready to play in a live casino yet, I am still in the research phase, but when I do, it will be in Atlantic City. But before I do, I want to know if these games are even beatable.

What advantage can one achieve through card counting playing in Atlantic City? Against the 8 deck game? 6 deck game? Assume 65% to 70% penetration and S17, DA2, DAS, NRA, NS, SA1.

How do you calculate your win expectation for these games?

[Sun Runner]

> What advantage can one achieve through card counting
> playing in Atlantic City? Against the 8 deck game? 6
> deck game? Assume 65% to 70% penetration and S17, DA2,
> DAS, NRA, NS, SA1.

If you are depending on straight counting, I'd play poker first. 65% to 70% with 6 or 8 decks is horrible.

> How do you calculate your win expectation for these games?

Try this link; explore this site:

QFIT odds calculator

[Norm Wattenberger]

SR's post links to my Basic Strategy calculator. For card counting advantages, use the below link:


CVCX Online

[brandnewtobj]

> SR's post links to my Basic Strategy calculator. For
> card counting advantages, use the below link:

> CVCX Online

Looking at the site you suggested, I ran the win rate calculator. I get a win rate of $6.21 per hour. I chose 8 decks, fair penetration, spread of 15, the hi-lo illustrious 18 & fab 4, and a bank of 10,000.

What minimum bet is this based on?

[brandnewtobj]

> If you are depending on straight counting, I'd play
> poker first. 65% to 70% with 6 or 8 decks is horrible.

> Try this link; explore this site:

How about a 6 deck game with 80% penetration? What would be the EV for this game with the same rules, if one uses a $10 minimum bet and a $130 maximum bet?

[Norm Wattenberger]

For the last three months of last year I made that answer free. I considered making it always free; but didn?t think it as fair to others.

Tell you the truth, I will probably shut the site down. McAfee has a new product called SiteAdvisor that rates the site as dangerous due to an absurd flaw in their new product. It's one of the cleanest, most honest sites on the web with over 100,000 free pages. Can you imagine how much work it took to create a site with 50,000 graphs and over 100,000 tables? Not to mention supplying answers to Don?s impossibly complex formulae And, there are zero ads on the site. Zero links to online casinos. You can't give something away anymore without someone trying to make money ruining your attempts. SiteAdvisor tells people that the site is unsafe due to a flaw in their scanning engine.

I've been involved with the I'Net (and ArpaNet during ARPA and DARPA days before it) for decades and I can tell you that this is not what the originators envisioned. They had in mind a free exchange of ideas. An equal exchange. Not a selectively censored exchange. Not like Stanford Wong who allows his friends to libel other authors and bars responses.

It's a F***ing shame. Whenever you try to help people, there are others that want to stop you for their own reasons.

I apologize for rambling. I like the concept of the web. I dislike how some people have used it. Someone with access to CVCX can answer your question. Or, you can e-mail me.

norm

[Trapper]

I have always found your site and particularly the CVCX Online to be one of the most useful blackjack sites on the Web. I have pointed many people to CVCX online to answer questions like the one above. I have the CVCX software but even in the limited form available without a password it is a resource that could save lots of money for new players.

[brandnewtobj]

If I guess can you tell me if I am right or wrong? I would guess a minimum bet of $10.

I just want to know what my hourly win rate against the games offered in AC would be, or how to calculate it. I read somewhere that it is 1.5 x one's minimum bet, but there must be more to it than that.

[Sun Runner]

> How about a 6 deck game with 80% penetration? What
> would be the EV for this game with the same rules, if
> one uses a $10 minimum bet and a $130 maximum bet?

Those that know me know I don't let things like numbers get in my way?

But to answer the question .. very good, certainly worth the time. I'd try to get on a spread to $150, at least, but I'd play it as is.

[Norm Wattenberger]

I'd need to know all of the settings at www.card-counting.com/cvcxonlineviewer.htm

> Looking at the site you suggested, I ran the win rate
> calculator. I get a win rate of $6.21 per hour. I
> chose 8 decks, fair penetration, spread of 15, the
> hi-lo illustrious 18 & fab 4, and a bank of
> 10,000.

> What minimum bet is this based on?

[brandnewtobj]

> I'd need to know all of the settings at
> www.card-counting.com/cvcxonlineviewer.htm

8 decks, fair penetration, spread to 15, hi-lo illustrious 18 & fab 4, and the bank was 7,500 not 10,000, sorry about that. The hourly win rate it produced was $6.21. If I am interpreting it correctly.

[Norm Wattenberger]

[Sun Runner]