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  1. #1
    Ouchez
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    Ouchez: Surrender it, I always do,

    > I know mathematically it's the right thing to do, but
    > when you take insurance and the dealer doesn't have
    > BJ, what do you do with a stiff (12 - 16)? You have
    > your max bet out against an Ace, and you've already
    > lost 1/2 of that on the insurance bet. Hitting seems
    > to be the only option, but the deck is still rich in
    > high cards that can bust you out. Any insight into
    > this situation? Thanks.

    > Jay

    Camo is for wuses!

    Ouchez.

  2. #2
    Victoria
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    Victoria: Re: Surrender it, I always do,

    Ouchez is right though there might be an acception or two.

    If you are playing good games you certainly need to keep your sessions short so after you insure your 15 or whatever you should reasses your personal thermometer and also consider if you are in a place that evaluates from the eye. You might shorten your session or not, but insurance at the proper time is important.
    If the casino is one that is very tolerant to a counter at your betting level you insure and do not worry about it. (you might find out you were mistaken in your evaluation though.)

    If you are a red chip player in a place that never evaluates red chippers, do not even worry about it.

    If your brother is the pit and you do not want to embarass or cost him his job then go for the camo in this case.

    Some forms of cammo cost you money and unless you need to keep a great game alive for you and are a big player, the cost is often to expensive. There are many forms of cammo that cost less or nothing.
    Victoria


  3. #3
    Coug Fan
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    Coug Fan: Surrender Camo

    > Camo is for wuses!

    > Ouchez.

    Just don't do what I did one time. I was in a notorious sweatshop playing a good SD game and had just about reached my planned 45 minute maximum stay. Count was high (TC+6 I believe). I decided this would be my last hand and shoved the rest of my chips (about $190) in the circle. I had been spreading from $25-$100, so this was pushing my welcome a bit. I made a big deal of saying "fine, I'll just lose it all so I can go home".

    Dealer yells out "checks play" and out of the corner of my eye, I see the PC get up off his stool and start heading my way. Dealer has an ace-up. I immediately say "wait, I want to insure!" Dealer asks if I want to check my cards first. I do so as I pull out a bundle of $100 bills that had a rubber band around them, and peel off a $100 bill. I have a 9,7. The PC is now standing right at my shoulder. Dealer has BJ. PC waits for dealer to flip over my cards. As soon as he sees the hard 16 he gives me the tap.

    Its too bad I don't have this on video. It would make a great "what not to do" video for a class on camo. Not many people insure a hard 16. Even fewer people go into their pocket to get the insurance money.

  4. #4
    Coug Fan
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    Coug Fan: Aove should say "Insurance camo" (nt) *NM*


  5. #5
    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Above should say "aBove"! :-) *NM*


  6. #6
    Ouchez
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    Ouchez: Good play! :) *NM*


  7. #7
    Praying Mantis
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    Praying Mantis: I Do

    > Not many people insure a hard 16. Even fewer
    > people go into their pocket to get the insurance
    > money.

    Hoping to hell the dealer has it...when she doesn't, THEN, I STAND on that mother!

    Now I'm PRAYING she'll bust out. Don't you hate it when she doesn't do that either?

    Of course, I play nickels

    sidenote: My wife who is learning a little about this game once blurted "I hope she has it". Got some interesting looks from all on that one...I later had to have a discussion with her.

    PM


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