If at all possible, I HIGHLY recommend taking part in acting classes, especially if they involve the wonderful art of improv.
Bettie
If at all possible, I HIGHLY recommend taking part in acting classes, especially if they involve the wonderful art of improv.
Bettie
> If it was a big bet, picked it up and strolled out
> immediately just like PR suggested.
uh...I assume you mean PM? My PR sucks
Let me add another 2-cents worth of my thoughts...When I get overpaid, I don't THINK about it, I just quickly pull my money back and act like nothing happened. (unless I have a big bet out and can detect the dealer realizes a mistake, then I'm gone).
Hey, this is NOT just a recreational thing with me. I'm serious. I see every day where these guys are MORE THAN WILLING to let a drunk fall off his chair and allow them to continue to play until they don't have a dime in their pockets. Why should I feel badly for gaining a little extra because of THEIR error. The house is supposed to hire competent dealers and pit personnel to preclude these things from happening.
If they do catch you not saying anything, what are they gonna do? Ask for the money you owe them, that's all. They aren't gonna 86 you for being quiet...hell, they expect the players to be quiet and take the money.
As far as the dealer goes. It is not my responsibility to make sure the dealer keeps their job. If they screw up and lose their job over it...hey, they can go and get another. They probably will learn a valuable lesson, in the process.
You need to think, also, that bringing attention to a dealer error CAN COST them their job. Most of the time, dealer errors are never known as the pit and eye is not watching and the game moves on. By bringing it up, it might catch the eye of the pit and he will watch that dealer more closely or use the error against them to let them go. Now, the house got their money back and the dealer is in hot water. Did you HELP the dealer...NOT!
I'm amazed that people have rightous feelings toward the casinos in these situtations.
> We had a posting recently that called the players all
> cheats and liars. The post was widely discredited, but
> the author had a point that sometimes players
> morals/values are worse than casino's.
The only players that I know of that have morals EQUAL to the casinos are CHEATERS. The casinos HAVE NO morals...period! You can NEVER have morals WORSE than the casino.
Most of the players at this site are APs and we are NOT cheaters...I refuse to delve into that discussion again, the dead horse has been beaten.
> Personally, I leave the error payoff out for the next
> bet. In most cases I lose it immediatly......
Where are YOUR morals? If you knew it was an overpayment, why did you wager it? Shouldn't you have TOLD the dealer of the mistake and give the money back?
Wait, are you saying you are no different than the rest of us?
PM
> The only players that I know of that have morals EQUAL
> to the casinos are CHEATERS. The casinos HAVE NO
> morals...period! You can NEVER have morals WORSE than
> the casino.
> Most of the players at this site are APs and we are
> NOT cheaters...I refuse to delve into that discussion
> again, the dead horse has been beaten.
> Where are YOUR morals? If you knew it was an
> overpayment, why did you wager it? Shouldn't you have
> TOLD the dealer of the mistake and give the money
> back?
> Wait, are you saying you are no different than the
> rest of us?
> PM
PM is dead on the money in this one. I have been cheated by the selective up card.(marked so dealer can turn up the face) Also blisters or dimples(allowing the dealer to hold an ace or face for themselves) I doubt that you will see a gaffed shoe any more; but one thing stands out, for all of the above the casino "IS" involved. I think mind play has too many open doors to be permitted. If the player is not allowed to use a computer, why should the casino be using any divice in the pitt ? ? ?
I have no qualms about taking the casino's money, either by beating them, or by them making a mistake. I do have a desire, however, not to cause undue hardship for the dealer in most cases. There are exceptions where I wouldn't care if the dealer was fired; but most of the time, if I hang around at a table, I probably like the dealer. And I realize the dealer is just trying to make a living like anybody else.
That is why it creates such a quandry for me when the dealer screws up. You said it just right though. Me being "honest" about the error and calling attention to it may be as bad or worse than just letting the game move on. That was my point above, in the example I gave of what happened to me. I had no way of knowing if the dealer had made the error on purpose. And if made accidentally, I had no way of knowing if the dealer would have preferred having it rectified or not having attention drawn to it.
> uh...I assume you mean PM? My PR sucks
> Let me add another 2-cents worth of my thoughts...When
> I get overpaid, I don't THINK about it, I just quickly
> pull my money back and act like nothing happened.
> (unless I have a big bet out and can detect the dealer
> realizes a mistake, then I'm gone).
> Hey, this is NOT just a recreational thing with me.
> I'm serious. I see every day where these guys are MORE
> THAN WILLING to let a drunk fall off his chair and
> allow them to continue to play until they don't have a
> dime in their pockets. Why should I feel badly for
> gaining a little extra because of THEIR error. The
> house is supposed to hire competent dealers and pit
> personnel to preclude these things from happening.
> If they do catch you not saying anything, what are
> they gonna do? Ask for the money you owe them, that's
> all. They aren't gonna 86 you for being quiet...hell,
> they expect the players to be quiet and take the
> money.
> As far as the dealer goes. It is not my responsibility
> to make sure the dealer keeps their job. If they screw
> up and lose their job over it...hey, they can go and
> get another. They probably will learn a valuable
> lesson, in the process.
> You need to think, also, that bringing attention to a
> dealer error CAN COST them their job. Most of the
> time, dealer errors are never known as the pit and eye
> is not watching and the game moves on. By bringing it
> up, it might catch the eye of the pit and he will
> watch that dealer more closely or use the error
> against them to let them go. Now, the house got their
> money back and the dealer is in hot water. Did you
> HELP the dealer...NOT!
> I'm amazed that people have rightous feelings toward
> the casinos in these situtations.
I can share this story, as I doubt they could go back and find it....
I cashed in for $1,000 and they had their "house" breakdown for this money amount at a $25 min table ($500 black and $500 green). When I asked them to give me $300 green and $700 black, the dealer had to change her piles around. I managed to get $800 in black and $300 in green! The pit even looked it over and okayed it! Well, when I had my stack of chips given to me, I palmed a $100 chip and held it in my hand (game was dealt face up). I waited until my players card came back to me, and stood up, put the card and the chip into my pocket. I hadn't played a hand and was up $100! When I went to cash out, funny, there was an extra $100 chip to cash in!?!
That is a good story. It reminds me that I should probably start paying more attention to the chips I get back. I am bad to not count them myself.
> I can share this story, as I doubt they could go back
> and find it....
> I cashed in for $1,000 and they had their
> "house" breakdown for this money amount at a
> $25 min table ($500 black and $500 green). When I
> asked them to give me $300 green and $700 black, the
> dealer had to change her piles around. I managed to
> get $800 in black and $300 in green! The pit even
> looked it over and okayed it! Well, when I had my
> stack of chips given to me, I palmed a $100 chip and
> held it in my hand (game was dealt face up). I waited
> until my players card came back to me, and stood up,
> put the card and the chip into my pocket. I hadn't
> played a hand and was up $100! When I went to cash
> out, funny, there was an extra $100 chip to cash in!?!
I was playing a 6D shoe heads up early one morning when a guy approached the table. "Great," I thought to myself ironically, "another good situation shot to hell!"
However, little did I know I was about to learn a brand-new (to me) AP technique!
The guy tossed a $20 and a $10 on the felt and said, "Give me a green and two reds."... and the dealer DID! He played a few hands, breaking even, and left with his 14.2857% bonus.
"You can learn a lot by just watching."... Yogi Berra
Dog Hand
> The guy tossed a $20 and a $10 on the felt and said,
> "Give me a green and two reds."... and the
> dealer DID! He played a few hands, breaking even, and
> left with his 14.2857% bonus.
Greeat story. Sounds like the old, "Do you have two 20s for a 10?"
But, if I were you, I'd check how much of a bonus he left with! :-)
Don
> Anyway, it just occurred to me that movies might be a
> great way to learn about the art of deception. Any
> suggestions for films featuring exemplary
> "acts?" (They don't have to be about
> gambling)
I enjoyed watching "Shade" which is poker con starring Silvester Stalone. It makes a few factual errors concerning the game but is entertaining none the less.
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