While perusing Wongs CBJN, I ran across a single deck that aparently pays even money on BJs but deals all the way through to the final card. I know giving up the blackjack 3-2 edge is huge, and it is listed as a basic strategy casino edge of 2.5%, but couldnt a counter make up that edge quite easily with the 100% penetration? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
> While perusing Wongs CBJN, I ran across a
> single deck that aparently pays even money
> on BJs but deals all the way through to the
> final card. I know giving up the blackjack
> 3-2 edge is huge, and it is listed as a
> basic strategy casino edge of 2.5%, but
> couldnt a counter make up that edge quite
> easily with the 100% penetration? Any
> thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
First off you are sending the wrong signal to the casino, that you will play this bastardized game and that you are a sucker!
Second, if you can play with a 2% edge, which I doubt you can, you still have given away a half percent to the casino, no advantage there!
Just say no!
Regards,
Ouchez.
> First off you are sending the wrong signal
> to the casino, that you will play this
> bastardized game and that you are a sucker!
> Second, if you can play with a 2% edge,
> which I doubt you can, you still have given
> away a half percent to the casino, no
> advantage there!
> Just say no!
> Regards,
> Ouchez.
You are correct. The spread between min./max. bet doesn't allow for a super big end-game bet when there are strange subsets left in the last few cards.
Even if you are a superman counter, you would still be taking a 1/2% beating.
> While perusing Wongs CBJN, I ran across a
> single deck that aparently pays even money
> on BJs but deals all the way through to the
> final card. I know giving up the blackjack
> 3-2 edge is huge, and it is listed as a
> basic strategy casino edge of 2.5%, but
> couldnt a counter make up that edge quite
> easily with the 100% penetration? Any
> thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
While it is commonly said that good penetration will overcome bad rules, this is an extreme case.
The obvious problem is, of course, the huge house edge.
Less obvious, but equally important is that eliminating the blackjack bonus changes the entire structure of the game. Without it, aces are much less valuable to the player, and even 10's become less valuable.
In other words, card counting becomes less effective. A positive count means less.
Bottom line: Fuggedaboudit.
> While it is commonly said that good
> penetration will overcome bad rules, this is
> an extreme case.
> The obvious problem is, of course, the huge
> house edge.
> Less obvious, but equally important is that
> eliminating the blackjack bonus changes the
> entire structure of the game. Without it,
> aces are much less valuable to the player,
> and even 10's become less valuable.
> In other words, card counting becomes less
> effective. A positive count means less.
> Bottom line: Fuggedaboudit.
Thanks everybody. Being a relative beginner its great to have access to a site like this where I can get informed, intelligent and accurate responses, especially so quickly! Thanks again...
Forgive my spelling. Does the game say DE in its description? If so it is double exposure. Both dealer cards are seen. This can be beaten, but the strategy is very different. The Stratosphere used to play this to the last card long ago.
> Forgive my spelling.
Spelling is okay but what do you want to say?
> Forgive my spelling.
Just take the "ten" out!
Don
> Spelling is okay but what do you want to
> say?
Spelling isn't okay. See above.
Don
> Spelling is okay but what do you want to
> say?
Zwei karten speil, two card play or game. It is the original name for double exposure BJ (DBX.) Both dealer cards are up, but BJ pays even money. Obviously the strategy is completely different since you are looking at both dealer cards. For example, you hit a hard-20 against a 21 and double a 5 against a dealer 14-16.
> Zwei karten speil, two card play or game.
Got it
Of course Don is right with suggesting "Zweikartenspiel" instead of "Zwei-ten-kartenspiel". I just was not able to figure out what you were trying to say.
Forgive my persistence: does that mean Double Exposure is (sometimes) called "two card play (or game)" in the U.S. and why did you translate it into German?
> Zwei karten speil, two card play or game. It
Zweikartenspiel (2nd ei-->ie ).... in BJ Secrets...
> is the original name for double exposure BJ
> (DBX.) Both dealer cards are up, but BJ pays
> even money. Obviously the strategy is
> completely different since you are looking
> at both dealer cards. For example, you hit a
> hard-20 against a 21 and double a 5 against
> a dealer 14-16.
> Forgive my persistence: does that mean
> Double Exposure is (sometimes) called
> "two card play (or game)" in the
> U.S. and why did you translate it into
> German?
That was what Richard Epstein called it 25 or so years ago.
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