Don & others,

Am I correct in stating that you are better off looking for a "better" game than worrying about which card counting system you use? In other words, the difference between using KO and AO11 is tiny compared to getting a 5/6 game vs. 4/6 or 7/8 vs. 6/8 etc.

Also, of all the common variations of rules, is penetration the factor with the most impact? i.e. Is it correct to say penetration is far more important than whether you can double after splitting, double on all etc. etc.?

Lastly, if you were limited in the games you could play (all average penetration, reasonable rules etc.), would there THEN be much gain in using AO11 compared to KO & using more indices than Don's Ill.18?

Thank you for all responses

Embarrased.