Is Late Surrender available at any casino's in Atlantic City?
Is Late Surrender available at any casino's in Atlantic City?
> Is Late Surrender available at any casino's in
> Atlantic City?
If you play big enough it is available by request at at least one shop but I don't request it becuase it would attract unwanted attention.
> If you play big enough it is available by request at
> at least one shop but I don't request it becuase it
> would attract unwanted attention.
If you are playing big you already have attracted *attention*. Using LS is surely not going to be the key to unmasking AP skillz.
So...you give up such a powerfull feature as LS, voluntarily?
If the house offers it use it, especially if you are a mid to large bettor.
If you are very paranoid just use it as a "basic strategy" move.
With the poor quality of games generally offered in AC you must grab all the EV offered that you can.
Ouchez.
> If you are playing big you already have attracted
> *attention*. Using LS is surely not going to be the
> key to unmasking AP skillz.
I'm not barred, and thats what matters.
Using LS will probably get me barred.
> So...you give up such a powerfull feature as LS,
> voluntarily?
The difficulty is NO ONE and I mean NO ONE ever requests it. It would'nt be so bad if some of he other knuckleheads understood the value of it. But they don't. The only time I ever got to use it I had my friend sit at the table for 5 mins, ask for it, and leave (he's not an AP).
> If the house offers it use it, especially if you are a
> mid to large bettor.
> If you are very paranoid just use it as a "basic
> strategy" move.
> With the poor quality of games generally offered in AC
> you must grab all the EV offered that you can.
> Ouchez.
Do you think, if you're playing correctly that is, that a knowledgeable counter catcher, or surveillance software won't identify you sooner or later?
If you play black or above, you're on camera. That's a given. Have your bets exceed $500, and if you play black on multiple deck games, of course you're betting $500....right(?) right. Soooo. The pit is paying attention. Surveillance is paying attention. Counter catchers are paying attention.
By not using late surrender, the only person you're hurting is yourself......if you're playing to win that is.
No self-respecting AP, who plays to win, would NOT use late surrender - if available. If they boot you for it, so be it. The positives are so far and away better by using it then not using it, that the only reason you wouldn't is because you're not attempting to play a winning game.
BTW, I'm not being critical. I'm offering - unsoliticed as it may be - some real good advice.
Good luck to you
bfb
> Do you think, if you're playing correctly that is,
> that a knowledgeable counter catcher, or surveillance
> software won't identify you sooner or later?
> If you play black or above, you're on camera. That's a
> given. Have your bets exceed $500, and if you play
> black on multiple deck games, of course you're betting
> $500....right(?) right. Soooo. The pit is paying
> attention. Surveillance is paying attention. Counter
> catchers are paying attention. By not using late
> surrender, the only person you're hurting is
> yourself......if you're playing to win that is.
Yes the pit is paying attention. Yes surveillance is paying attention. And I'm inclined to agree with your point, however...
Without disclosing any further details as to the particular circumstances involved I choose not to employ this option. Call me an idiot, or whatever, but thats the decision I've made and it hasn't prevented my from winning big... and I have'nt been barred.
> No self-respecting AP, who plays to win, would NOT use
> late surrender - if available. If they boot you for
> it, so be it. The positives are so far and away better
> by using it then not using it, that the only reason
> you wouldn't is because you're not attempting to play
> a winning game.
Wrong. My game is a winning game. The reason I would'nt is becuase I'm already producing desired results and I don't need to be piggy about it. I could also walk off the table on every low count - which would be even better than LS, but I don't always do that either.
> BTW, I'm not being critical. I'm offering -
> unsoliticed as it may be - some real good advice.
Yes. This is sound advice and I'm most certainly not offended.
> Good luck to you
> bfb
> Yes the pit is paying attention. Yes surveillance is
> paying attention. And I'm inclined to agree with your
> point, however...
There's only 3 casinos in town that allow LS in their high limit pits, and all 3 require special permission and only allow the option to known rated players. (generally read Losers) Since you have to be betting black or higher to even be considered for approval, they're watching and filming the table action at all times anyways. So if you're capable of obtaining an approval you might as well get it and extract as much money as you can from the casino before the party lights are turned off, which they will be once you have a winning history.
> Without disclosing any further details as to the
> particular circumstances involved I choose not to
> employ this option. Call me an idiot, or whatever, but
> thats the decision I've made and it hasn't prevented
> my from winning big... and I have'nt been barred.
The law doesn't allow them to bar anyone in NJ for counting, they can however take countermeasures such as reducing pen, preferential shuffling, allowing only 1 box while others are allowed multiple hands, or restricting you to a 10 to 1 bet restriction by placing an additional table limit sign of 5/50 on the table which only applies to the counter and do so without affecting anyone else at the table.
Although it may be argued that the most severe countermeasures have the same effect as a defacto barring, there are various ways around the countermeasures by being a little creative.
> Wrong. My game is a winning game. The reason I
> would'nt is becuase I'm already producing desired
> results and I don't need to be piggy about it. I could
> also walk off the table on every low count - which
> would be even better than LS, but I don't always do
> that either.
If you are playing a winning game, it won't matter in the long run....they will eventually take countermeasures against you anyways. In the casino's eyes NO ONE will be tolerated if they have a winning history. It doesn't matter how personable you are, who you know, or how much you tip. The only exception to this MIGHT be if you travel with your best friend who is a much much bigger bettor than you, providing that he has a big bank account and a long history of large losses, then they may be apt to tolerate you....atleast for awhile until your friends bank account runs dry.
If you are capable of winning, they don't want you playing period and will do whatever they can get away with legally (or otherwise) to prevent you from continuing. Once the decision has been made by mgmt to cut their losses, swift action with no advance warning will be taken against you. I would suggest that you routinely zero out your comp account before you find that one day they've wiped your balance clean and frozen the account.
> Yes. This is sound advice and I'm most certainly not
> offended.
Your name implies you are from the NY or upstate NJ
area. If so, why don't you travel north where you can play a LS game with much better pen than you'll find in AC, but beware....they CAN and WILL bar you there once identified as a winning player.
Card.
Just kidding of coarse. This is what you will hear from the pit, dealers, and locals. Do not listen to them.
If they offer it, use it to your advantage. The more your system is tuned into indice play, the better the L.S. option will be for your E.V.
Fernando
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