When to not surrender for cover...

**Three** · 03-01-2015, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mickey

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Why would he necessarily have min bet out during a 17 vs. A scenario? He could receive a hard 17 vs. A during high counts (w/ a big bet) as well.

As the deck gets more T rich the dealer busts the Ace more and surrender is no longer the correct play. That is usually when you have big bets out. For HILO you surrender if the count is less than +1 (H17). You would have a min bet out. Of course you make your bet and playing decision at separate times so the play may be made at a different count than the bet was made at. You may use an ace neutral count and have a big bet out due to the excess aces left rather than a high playing count. So your bet and the play are only somewhat related.

**marriedputter** · 03-01-2015, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

As the deck gets more T rich the dealer busts the Ace more and surrender is no longer the correct play. That is usually when you have big bets out. For HILO you surrender if the count is less than +1 (H17). You would have a min bet out. Of course you make your bet and playing decision at separate times so the play may be made at a different count than the bet was made at. You may use an ace neutral count and have a big bet out due to the excess aces left rather than a high playing count. So your bet and the play are only somewhat related.

Tthree beat me to it Mickey. At high counts you would insure against the ace. If there isn't a 10 under there, the dealer can bust much easier. 17 may hold up, but only because busting is more likely and not because 17 is a good score against the dealer.

**Mickey** · 03-17-2015, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

As the deck gets more T rich the dealer busts the Ace more and surrender is no longer the correct play. That is usually when you have big bets out. For HILO you surrender if the count is less than +1 (H17). You would have a min bet out. Of course you make your bet and playing decision at separate times so the play may be made at a different count than the bet was made at. You may use an ace neutral count and have a big bet out due to the excess aces left rather than a high playing count. So your bet and the play are only somewhat related.

Got it. Thanks, T3!