Devastation with the shufflers

**Bigdaddy** · 04-01-2017, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Fenix

The ASM would have to know where the player would cut the deck for this to work. Then this slug would be easily exploited by cutting not where most ploppys cut so as to place the slug in play. I don't see them doing this, lol.

Agree -

Even if the ASM was clumping high cards, they still couldn't control where the slug was due to the player's cut. Then all you would have to do is recognize the slug coming out and you would have a huge advantage.

**ZeeBabar** · 04-01-2017, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Agree -

Even if the ASM was clumping high cards, they still couldn't control where the slug was due to the player's cut. Then all you would have to do is recognize the slug coming out and you would have a huge advantage.

The point is that they could program it whenever they want and in whatever sequence they have it pre-programmed for. This means that they can counter and confuse an AP. One shoe would be random, another not, preprogrammed for 1, 2 or 3 players at the table and such.

**moses** · 04-01-2017, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

The point is that they could program it whenever they want and in whatever sequence they have it pre-programmed for. This means that they can counter and confuse an AP. One shoe would be random, another not, preprogrammed for 1, 2 or 3 players at the table and such.

Zee. My opinion is jockeys could get together and pool their money to predict the outcome of a race. I think it would have to be a race where no one but the bettors cared. My point is, why would I ever bet those type of races if I have this belief? Unless I'm invited to their meeting, I have no clue.

So, if you have this strong belief, why would you play? Maybe they could let you select the program every once in a while. If so, how would you do it to guarantee yourself winning nearly every hand?

The deck of cards presented to me is made of Ace thru King in each of the 4 suits. You are saying the cards are now put into a machine, then shuffled in a chronological order that knows just how to fuck you?

**ZeeBabar** · 04-01-2017, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by moses

Zee. My opinion is jockeys could get together and pool their money to predict the outcome of a race. I think it would have to be a race where no one but the bettors cared. My point is, why would I ever bet those type of races if I have this belief? Unless I'm invited to their meeting, I have no clue.

So, if you have this strong belief, why would you play? Maybe they could let you select the program every once in a while. If so, how would you do it to guarantee yourself winning nearly every hand?

The deck of cards presented to me is made of Ace thru King in each of the 4 suits. You are saying the cards are now put into a machine, then shuffled in a chronological order that knows just how to fuck you?

I said they do it if and when they suspect an AP or if someone is winning too much. I did not say all the time. I think it happens at A casino, Ameristar in St. Louis. I don't know if others are doing it. I believe the technology exists and it's possible. Volkswagen and Audi cheated, the others did not.

In any case, I play cause I am addicted, enjoy playing in casinos and have little else to do. I am not trying to make a living out of it. I had hoped to win maybe $10k a year to pay for a vacation but $1k is ok too. Otherwise, I would have changed my count, learned all the indexes and practice a lot (I never practice).