is this a typical backoff?

**ZenKinG** · 04-19-2014, 07:38 PM

If I were you playing in AC, I would just keep mocking them and going around table to table and telling all the players what they did to you and why they did it to you. Tell everyone you count cards and that you will tell them when to raise their bets. What are they going to do? Backoff every single player there? Maybe even start a campaign about how they actually treat their players and what happens if you're a winner. Use the campaign to really dry up their shitty business more then it already is.

Also next time make sure you make the pit boss explain everything to you in front of all the players. And when they talk to you, make sure you get them to speak loud enough so other players can hear what is going on. Ask questions in front of everyone as to what is going on and what they are convicting you of. Make sure everyone know whats going on and then help everyone make money to piss off the store. You're done there anyway and they can't trespass you, it's AC. Thats what I would do, but according to bigplayer I guess they actually can tresspass you because they will see that as disorderly conduct, which shouldn't be a hard case to win with a good attorney, I mean you're just helping people play a better game and maybe make some money, right? How do they know it's not your family or friends you're helping? I guess you also run the risk of angering them so much to the point they forward your pictures to casinos all over the east coast, so maybe not the best advice

I remember when I got backed off, I always told myself I wouldn't leave the table when the pit boss gave me the tap, but somehow he kind of slightly pushed me away and i dont know why I moved. Next time no way I'm moving and I will make sure everyone at the table knows whats going on. Cant stand casinos and how they operate their stupid business. "Everyone's a winner, come play here" Sick of that advertising, once you start winning they kick you out, while manipulating all their patrons. Honestly to me at times I really rather just have the casino fail and do everything I can to bring them down, then to actually make money long term. That's how much it disgusts me. I understand 100% why Ken Uston did what he did and I support him 100%. I guess it's a personality thing. Best of luck.

**Three** · 04-19-2014, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by ZenKinG

If I were you playing in AC, I would just keep mocking them and going around table to table and telling all the players what they did to you and why they did it to you. Tell everyone you count cards and that you will tell them when to raise their bets. What are they going to do? Backoff every single player there? Maybe even start a campaign about how they actually treat their players and what happens if you're a winner. Use the campaign to really dry up their shitty business more then it already is.

Also next time make sure you make the pit boss explain everything to you in front of all the players. And when they talk to you, make sure you get them to speak loud enough so other players can hear what is going on. Ask questions in front of everyone as to what is going on and what they are convicting you of. Make sure everyone know whats going on and then help everyone make money to piss off the store. You're done there anyway and they can't trespass you, it's AC. Thats what I would do, but according to bigplayer I guess they actually can tresspass you because they will see that as disorderly conduct, which shouldn't be a hard case to win with a good attorney, I mean you're just helping people play a better game and maybe make some money, right? How do they know it's not your family or friends you're helping? I guess you also run the risk of angering them so much to the point they forward your pictures to casinos all over the east coast, so maybe not the best advice

I remember when I got backed off, I always told myself I wouldn't leave the table when the pit boss gave me the tap, but somehow he kind of slightly pushed me away and i dont know why I moved. Next time no way I'm moving and I will make sure everyone at the table knows whats going on. Cant stand casinos and how they operate their stupid business. "Everyone's a winner, come play here" Sick of that advertising, once you start winning they kick you out, while manipulating all their patrons. Honestly to me at times I really rather just have the casino fail and do everything I can to bring them down, then to actually make money long term. That's how much it disgusts me. I understand 100% why Ken Uston did what he did and I support him 100%. I guess it's a personality thing. Best of luck.

It sounds like you're destined for many back offs as is anyone that takes this advice.

KJ · 04-19-2014, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

It sounds like you're destined for many back offs as is anyone that takes this advice.

I didn't want to 'jump' on ZenKinG, because it just feels like I have done some of that over the years, but I completely agree with you T3. You (ZK) have to learn not to take these things personally. It is one of the negative parts of playing. You minimize the damage by drawing as little attention, while you exit as quickly as possible. Anything you do that draws additional attention, and makes you more memorable, just compounds the damage.

A couple good sayings that apply are "cutting your losses" and "living to fight another day". In war terms, you have lost that battle. You don't fight that losing battle to the death. You retreat, regroup and fight again on another day. And because you lived to fight another day, you win the war on another day.