Disturbing video

[Harold Harvey]

To play devil's advocate, where a business posts "no firearms permitted", for example, even though one has a permit to carry concealed, I believe one has committed a violation when they enter the premises with a concealed weapon. I wonder if the same applies to a casino, although I have never seen "card counting prohibited" signs anywhere? Here we have the casino alerting the customer to the fact, and we also have the need of the casino to ascertain the ID of whom they are banning from reentry. You know how the law is often interpreted in such a circuitous fashion and even when it appears one has an open and shut case they rule against them. We can only hope that this case is ruled in favor of Mills and sets a precedent for others to follow. The state may see an advantage, however, in "stretching" the law to fit the outcome it sees as favorable to itself. Am I being overly cynical?

If the sign actually reads "No Firearms Permitted," it may have a problem enforcing its policy. Taken literally, they are saying that not carrying a firearm with you is permitted. It does not say anything about prohibiting firearms.

[Aslan]

If the sign actually reads "No Firearms Permitted," it may have a problem enforcing its policy. Taken literally, they are saying that not carrying a firearm with you is permitted. It does not say anything about prohibiting firearms.

Good catch. I'll check it where I know they use it, Tuesday Morning, a retail household goods store. It probably says, "The carrying of firearms on the premises is prohibited," as you say.

[MJGolf]

Good catch. I'll check it where I know they use it, Tuesday Morning, a retail household goods store. It probably says, "The carrying of firearms on the premises is prohibited," as you say.

Don't even go there guys. Be reasonable. Odds are that there is a cartoon or pic of a gun with a "slash" through it. Reflecting no guns allowed on premises. Do you really want to argue this ticket with a cop? I doubt anyone is actually "confused" or mislead by what they mean. And I live in a very liberal jurisdiction regarding the carrying of weapons. You do have to have a license to carry (concealed or open) which means that you had to take a class AND in the class they inform you of the rules on firearms and where they are permitted. Don't be nonsensical.

[Aslan]

Don't even go there guys. Be reasonable. Odds are that there is a cartoon or pic of a gun with a "slash" through it. Reflecting no guns allowed on premises. Do you really want to argue this ticket with a cop? I doubt anyone is actually "confused" or mislead by what they mean. And I live in a very liberal jurisdiction regarding the carrying of weapons. You do have to have a license to carry (concealed or open) which means that you had to take a class AND in the class they inform you of the rules on firearms and where they are permitted. Don't be nonsensical.

The "good catch" was my inept use of language to describe what I was trying to say. No doubt the sign on the door is clear as glass, and yes, I'm pretty sure there is a gun with slash through it. haha Don't worry, even if it were poorly worded, I would not take that to mean I had therefore a license to carry in that establishment. We would all know what it meant to say. I am a little surprised, and a bit embarrassed, though, that you thought either of us might be that stupid.

[MJGolf]

The "good catch" was my inept use of language to describe what I was trying to say. No doubt the sign on the door is clear as glass, and yes, I'm pretty sure there is a gun with slash through it. haha Don't worry, even if it were poorly worded, I would not take that to mean I had therefore a license to carry in that establishment. We would all know what it meant to say. I am a little surprised, and a bit embarrassed, though, that you thought either of us might be that stupid.

Aslan: Never called either of you stupid. You know far more than I about playing cards. However, this was a serious thread about the backrooming. It bothered me to see those videos. Having been in the legal industry in my first career, I know how far cops can go. I also know how to avoid trouble with them most times. I didn't want the discussion to get off topic about firearms. I just didn't want anyone to even think about trying to bring a firearm into an establishment that prohibited them. There are very, very MANY gun happy policemen. I would NOT want anyone here to take a chance or give them ANY opportunity to fire at a citizen rightfully bearing arms. There have been too many cases of guns being planted on someone shot; kids shot with toy guns; adults shot with fake weapons. If you were to carry a gun into an establishment and say, they saw it. Maybe it wasn't quite totally concealed. And they knew it was prohibited there. It's an excuse to them to draw weapons. I am MORE than serious about this topic and it was not meant to cast any aspersions upon your intelligence.