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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    I hope I was clear that your count with the pen included is as accurate as Tarzan's count. Every card counted plus the pen has the same specific deck composition defined as Tarzans count with the pen info. The difference is how the info would be used. To get the most out of each count reams of info would need to be committed to memory and it probably comes to personal preference as to which is easier to use. For me Tarzan's count gives a much better mental picture of the current situation. Interpolation between known situations would be quite intuitive. I think you method would interpolate as easily. What you lose is the ratio of middles to lows or middles to highs easily at hand. The info is still there but it is buried in the linear count and all cards counted and the pen. If all your play was just based on the memorized info that is probably a moot point but if some plays are based specifically on this info it is no longer easily available. So basically from an application standpoint the counts are probably the same but it would probably be harder to get a feel for using the info without relying on your memory.

    Basically in short both ways are the same except for visualization which is a personal preference. I think Tarzans approach is better for visualization. The other practical issue is is in shoe games without the normalization of the three columns the middle card group number would get awfully big. 4 decks into a 6 deck shoe it is expected to be 64 and could be as high as 96. The linear count would tend to stay around 0. 0, 64, 16 would be 2 complete decks left compared to Tarzans 0, 0, 0, 16. You would no doubt get used to your counts neutral situations but visualizes it from the count would take a lot more experience. Since you weren't interested in actually using the count in a casino it is a moot point.

    I am impressed with your advanced counting skillz. They can be worth a lot in the right situations. You ma want to look at other games than blackjack in your area. You may find a much bigger edge with far less heat putting the abilities to their best use with some advanced counting techniques. Unfortunately BJ advanced counting techniques are not worth as much and the heat is high.
    I do not lose the ratio of middles to lows or middles to highs, like you mentioned all of the info is there. It's all there. I really don't know how to take advantage of Tarzan Count just yet, other than that I can account for card groupings and the unseen. I was thinking that if someone did count in this manner, maybe there could be a set of indexes created which mathematically relates with the way Tarzan keeps count and the way I count Balanced Tarzan count because I was already thinking about indexes which relate with the ratio of middles to lows or middles to highs.

    Tarzan is the subject matter expert on his count and I would already think that he has his set of indexes for the games he plays and the way he counts. I wonder what he thinks and if there is some kind of mathematical relationship with the indexing, with a balanced way of doing Tarzan Count in regards to what he is already doing.
    Last edited by Blitzkrieg; 09-16-2014 at 11:14 AM.

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