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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Mosby View Post
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    The 73% value includes the cost of your live money bet. Played that way, $100 in funny chips are worth $73
    I'm gonna get back to this some time later if I find out otherwise after double checking.

    oh I mean they way you put it ('the coupon/funny-chips's worth') and the way JG's put it, it makes me wonder if the game as a whole (with mixed coupon and live-money) is ev = 0.73 or it's just the coupon's part that's 73% of it's face value.


    I know as you pointed out that the variance/2kB factor is going to be small so the games can basically b ranked by their 'ev'.
    I'm going to try to find out the variance and do CE analysis just for the sake of it :P






    Also, I'd like to add that, I brought up the question of RoR in CE analysis, because one can easily have a +ev but negative CE situation, not only in skewed situations but also in blackjack.


    Negative CE usually means overbetting in some sense. I think the core of the notion of 'overbetting' is that there is a higher RoR than desired.


    The wager size matters in this context.


    When using only funny-chips (coupons), I wonder if the wager size should still be the same nominal value, since now there's no such thing as overbetting or being down.
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    If its free-play chips, you can bet on the PASS and DON'T PASS lines at the same time, then the COME and DON'T COME at same times. The only times you'll lose is when a 12 is rolled and your chips aren't yet assigned to a point yet. So you have a 35/36 chance of winning 1/2 your FP chips.

    You can do the same thing on roulette (red / black or odd / even), but you're at a more disadvantage because you'll win 50% of the FP 18/19 times (or 36/38 times), due to the 0 and 00 numbers.

    Of course, there are other and better ways to get a higher return, but it's a simple way to nearly guarantee 1/2 your FP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingStoned View Post
    ..... but you're at a more disadvantage because you'll win 50% of the FP 18/19 times (or 36/38 times), due to the 0 and 00 numbers.

    Of course, there are other and better ways to get a higher return, but it's a simple way to nearly guarantee 1/2 your FP.
    Yeah I think baccarat is better in terms of guaranteeing the win for lock-betting.

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    Using match/free-play, you still wouldn't want to over-bet your BR.
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    A good play. Is to use, free bet even money coupons(good until won or lost) for ante bets at Caribbean Stud. This way you don't have to put any real money down until you've seen the cards. Plus you have the chance of getting a nice pay out if you catch a good poker hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solo player View Post
    A good play. Is to use, free bet even money coupons(good until won or lost) for ante bets at Caribbean Stud. This way you don't have to put any real money down until you've seen the cards. Plus you have the chance of getting a nice pay out if you catch a good poker hand.
    This is a good point... I'd never thought of before. I'll try that with CEC's Direct Bets. Doesn't sound too feasible w/ MP's though. For those, I'll stick to Bacc.
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