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    Hi,

    Is there any forum member who has played Double Up Blackjack recently? I ask because beyond the differences in the rules that I see on different sites, some are very misleading.
    I don't doubt Michael Shackleford's analysis, who says that the house edge is approximately 0.32%. However, there are other sites that mention 0.62%, and others that say the edge
    is between 0.20% and 0.40%. Let's look at one of the main rules for which I would need some confirmation:

    End 16: Any Dealer 16 ends the game; pushes against all but 21.
    Blackjack Pays: 3 to 2 (1:1 against Dealer 16).

    Under these conditions, my simulator tells me that the house edge is 0.71%. But if instead of "1:1 against Dealer 16" it were "3:2 against Dealer 16",
    the house edge would be approximately 0.38%. I want to emphasize this rule because that subtle difference would make the game less wonderful
    and attractive than its creators promote.
    Of course, I might be making an error in my analysis, which is why I'm reaching out to other forum members to verify this.
    Thank you in advance.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post

    Blackjack Pays: 3 to 2 (1:1 against Dealer 16).
    You can see on the game creator's website that blackjack always pays 3:2.

    https://www.scoregamingllc.com/_file...26ba147790.pdf

    In USA, player naturals are resolved immediately, just like dealer naturals. It would be too complex to change the existing rules, and would make this game unattractive to any player.

    You can also check here:
    https://casino.betmgm.com/en/blog/ho...-up-blackjack/

    "The main game has an RTP of 99.72%"
    "If you receive a natural 21 (or blackjack,) your payout odds will be +150."
    "If the dealer has a hand worth 16, it’s a push. The only exception is if the player has a blackjack (natural 21.)"
    On the image of the virtual table, it states "DEALER 16: GAME ENDS, 21'S PAY 1:1, ALL OTHER WAGERS PUSH", so this adds an additional exception.

    "21 totals" does not include blackjack; blackjack pays 3:2 is mentioned earlier in the rules, blackjack always pays immediately in USA; that Canadian author is mistaken.

    On the other hand, perhaps the house edge is really 0.84%.
    https://www.scoregamingllc.com/post/...y-score-gaming

    The rules are based on "standard Las Vegas blackjack". I have sent an inquiry to the game developer and will make a new post if I get a reply.

    Finally, in this video, you can see that they pay the natural immediately, in the first 30 seconds of the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RPL8EWsxBM
    Last edited by mt4; 04-01-2024 at 10:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mt4 View Post
    You can see on the game creator's website that blackjack always pays 3:2.

    https://www.scoregamingllc.com/_file...26ba147790.pdf

    In USA, player naturals are resolved immediately, just like dealer naturals. It would be too complex to change the existing rules, and would make this game unattractive to any player.
    Thanks. Check out this site:

    https://debitcardcasino.ca/blackjack...-double-up-21/

    Notice that the site emphasizes this rule in particular.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mt4 View Post
    You can see on the game creator's website that blackjack always pays 3:2.

    https://www.scoregamingllc.com/_file...26ba147790.pdf

    In USA, player naturals are resolved immediately, just like dealer naturals. It would be too complex to change the existing rules, and would make this game unattractive to any player.

    You can also check here:
    https://casino.betmgm.com/en/blog/ho...-up-blackjack/

    "The main game has an RTP of 99.72%"
    "If you receive a natural 21 (or blackjack,) your payout odds will be +150."
    "If the dealer has a hand worth 16, it’s a push. The only exception is if the player has a blackjack (natural 21.)"
    On the image of the virtual table, it states "DEALER 16: GAME ENDS, 21'S PAY 1:1, ALL OTHER WAGERS PUSH", so this adds an additional exception.

    "21 totals" does not include blackjack; blackjack pays 3:2 is mentioned earlier in the rules, blackjack always pays immediately in USA; that Canadian author is mistaken.

    On the other hand, perhaps the house edge is really 0.84%.
    https://www.scoregamingllc.com/post/...y-score-gaming

    The rules are based on "standard Las Vegas blackjack". I have sent an inquiry to the game developer and will make a new post if I get a reply.
    That would be wonderful. I'll eagerly await the developer's response.

    Finally, in this video, you can see that they pay the natural immediately, in the first 30 seconds of the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RPL8EWsxBM
    By the way, take another look at the video. I don't see the dealer paying 3:2, but rather 1:1.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    That would be wonderful. I'll eagerly await the developer's response.



    By the way, take another look at the video. I don't see the dealer paying 3:2, but rather 1:1.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Sorry. I watched the video more carefully and apparently the dealer is indeed paying 3:2 (at minute 0:21). Then at minute 1:49, it's clearer.
    The only thing left is to find out who did the analysis that resulted in a 0.84% house edge.

    Cac
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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