Double UP BlackJack

[Cacarulo]

Have you looked at WOO he has a full page dedicated to this but he has the double your bet in there. Not doubling your bet will really hurt you obviously because that's the offset for the horrible ruling of pushing against a dealers 16. I could modify my CA to run the analysis but not particularly motivated lol. Changing the dealer hands combination to stand on 16 and have the dealer push all hands with a 16 except against a player's total of 21.

Hi iCountNTrack,

Yes, I have already checked the WOO website. The issue is that analyzing this game, and without DU, I get a ridiculously high HE, around 5.8%.
That's why I need someone to confirm if it's possible that this single dealer rule (standing on 16) could be so detrimental.
Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Cac

[Freightman]

Hi iCountNTrack,

Yes, I have already checked the WOO website. The issue is that analyzing this game, and without DU, I get a ridiculously high HE, around 5.8%.
That's why I need someone to confirm if it's possible that this single dealer rule (standing on 16) could be so detrimental.
Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Cac

Cant answer the question mathematically - however, logic suggests that if dealer push on 22 adds close to 7% edge for dealer, then push 16 has to be worse.

Also, I don’t know the game and don’t know if push is confined to 2 card 16 or 3+ cards at 16.

[Cacarulo]

Cant answer the question mathematically - however, logic suggests that if dealer push on 22 adds close to 7% edge for dealer, then push 16 has to be worse.

Also, I don’t know the game and don’t know if push is confined to 2 card 16 or 3+ cards at 16.

Here you can find all the rules:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/double-up-blackjack/

If the dealer gets 16 (hard or soft) on any number of cards, he must stand. Then, all totals under 21 tie, and the only winners are those with 21. BJs pay 1:1 in this case.
There are some controversies in the definition of the rules. Some sites say that you cannot Double UP with 21 or with BJ. However, the Wizard of Odds apparently allows it
after splitting a pair of aces. I don't know which rule is correct.

Sincerely,
Cac

[Freightman]

Here you can find all the rules:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/double-up-blackjack/

If the dealer gets 16 (hard or soft) on any number of cards, he must stand. Then, all totals under 21 tie, and the only winners are those with 21. BJs pay 1:1 in this case.
There are some controversies in the definition of the rules. Some sites say that you cannot Double UP with 21 or with BJ. However, the Wizard of Odds apparently allows it
after splitting a pair of aces. I don't know which rule is correct.

Sincerely,
Cac

Still haven’t looked up the rules but did check Wizard site
-Push 22 -6.91% Push16 excepting player 21 is likely more. Player still goes first and is subject to busting prior to dealer resolution
-BJ 1-1 - another -2.7%

Those 2 rules alone -9.61% and likely more

[DSchles]

-BJ 1-1 - another -2.7%

No, that's surely not true. First, when BJ pays even money, the house edge is 2.27%, not 2.7%. But that isn't the case here at all. That naturals pay 3 to 2 is clearly stated in the rules. I didn't see, when the dealer has 16 and the player has 21 that that meant naturals as well as multi-card 21s. That's the only time they would pay 1 to 1, in any event. So, that's not a big deal.

Don

[iCountNTrack]

Hi iCountNTrack,

Yes, I have already checked the WOO website. The issue is that analyzing this game, and without DU, I get a ridiculously high HE, around 5.8%.
That's why I need someone to confirm if it's possible that this single dealer rule (standing on 16) could be so detrimental.
Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Cac

I am not sure if you just meant Dealer standing on 16 or forgot to mention that dealer's 16 pushes all totals if the player has less than 21. That's what of course what makes it horrible. You got me, I will crunch some numbers later on!

[Cacarulo]

I am not sure if you just meant Dealer standing on 16 or forgot to mention that dealer's 16 pushes all totals if the player has less than 21. That's what of course what makes it horrible. You got me, I will crunch some numbers later on!

Yes, I forgot to mention pushes. Check what I replied to Freightman.
Thank you for getting involved!

Sincerely,
Cac