You miss the point of my post. The point is the players that are less motivated take the easy way out. Rather than analyze why you win or lose and what is just variance and what isn't, they just say they are being cheated. They never spend the effort required to figure out how to win more from their records. Maybe they are not motivated enough to keep records. Now this is not to say that everyone that uses this count fits, but what count do you think the unmotivated people tend to use? Hilo, of course, because it is easiest. Others use Hilo but are highly motivated and figured out how to use the count so they can consistently win and how to play with enough affordable cover whether betting or playing to have some degree of longevity if they are not in the slash and burn camp (players that play so aggressively they expect a quick backoff but travel all over so they still have plenty of games they can play). You just turned the thread yellow Zee and Genius.