LOL...You hear that KJ? You should have a thick skin by now! Something is wrong with you for temporarily trippin on a $20k loss so shut up already!Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg
Yes, your friend is stupid in my book. He may be a good person, just not a smart gambler. When you think about it some people do like to lose in the act of having a good time. When I go to the casino I usually go alone and I could not hang out or go to the casino with someone who is just going to go there to dump to the house, just to have a good time. I don't like to associate myself with losing players who have a losers mentality. A lot of people say, "I like to get drunk when I go to the casino," or "I don't care about winning, I'm going just to have a good time." When I hear those words I know I have a loser in front of me, without a doubt. There may be nothing you can say or do to convince them to become a winning player.
The last buddy I took to the casino with me, he had to wait on me while I was deep in a poker game (5am) because I was the one who supplied the ride to the casino. Since I wasn't able to leave the table because I was thoroughly engaged he had to walk back to the hotel room which was about 1/2 mile to 3/4 of a mile. After my playing was done I'm glad I didn't leave the table to drive him back to the room because I had a very nice win as a result of me staying. It made my night and morning by staying on the table.
Last edited by Blitzkrieg; 02-27-2015 at 01:11 PM.
Then in that case, we should lump all those who go to the movies as stupid, since they spend money and get entertainment in return. This should apply to those who go to sporting events as well. After all, they spend money and get entertainment and don't get their money back.
If casinos are your thing for entertainment, this could be even better because not only do you get your entertainment, unlike movies and sporing events you may (MAY) actually win something.
That friend of mine is a millionaire. I am not yet. If he wants to throw a little money away in the name of entertainment, he has earned that right.
Not everybody is out to conquer the world on a Friday night. If somebody lives a happy life and has few to no regrets, who are we to judge them as stupid?
Last edited by counter19; 02-27-2015 at 01:12 PM. Reason: typo
it was a generalization . the spread was more like 1 -10 with h17 das ls with quite bit of wong out in the 1st 1-2 deck tc -1-1.5. i did occasional went to 2 x $150 maybe 25% of the time. This happened in about 2000 hands played. Lets say lost $8000 with a max bet of $150-$160. Lost 50 max bets in 2000 rounds or so ,it happens . Just feel crappy but hey what can i do but just keep going. Next year i lost another 80 max bets in few hundred hours(300-400) of good game. I made it back within 150 hours of play plus more. Bankroll requirement is so important and so is n0 and game selection. Any way i got the info in the other post that Kj lost 20k in a day betting $?00 max bets with 2 x $?00 as a max. I already know what the ?00 means but don't want to post as it may offend or out him. I would think 20k is also a misleading figure so not to id him as easily.
My 2 worst beatings about $8K in 20 minutes heads up with max bet of 2x150 and about $8K in a 3 hour session betting the same top bet at a table with a couple other people. I think both trips ended up winners and my big long term week or so beatings had their biggest session losses closer to $5K. One losing streak came right after upping my max bets due to great success. But I had several bad days in short term and some other losing days. It could have been worse but at some point I just call it a day when the count is at a disadvantage. I don't have a set point but I know when I have taken enough of a beating and at least take a break.
I had the same thing happen winning. I had won too much already but I kept passing empty tables and heads up is a rare duck to find on weekends. I would sit down and in short order win more than I think the casino is comfortable with and leave when the count tanks. But I just kept getting the empty table and would get a monster shoe right away and crush it. I was really worried about a BO but nothing came of it. I laid low for a while. I know they noticed but one of those bad sessions was the same trip so I guess it didn't look as bad as a whole.
I am not sure what the issue is. You lose big money when you bet big and lose. That means you had a great opportunity to bet with an advantage but you lost almost every bet. It happens. Thankfully it is pretty rare but if you don't experience it you aren't playing much or you are using other advanced techniques that make being crushed less likely or you are just really fortunate.
When I called your friend stupid I didn't mean it in a disgusting way to upset you. But, your friend is still ignorant for not listening to your advice on trying to improve his game. You asked a question, I gave my answer. There are a lot of ignorant millionaires out there. Your friend is entitled to spend his time and savings however he wants. I don't care what anybody does with their resources as it applies to entertainment or how foolishly they may dump it in a casino. As long as your buddy is having a good time, that's what counts for him.
As a result of my friend having to walk back to the room that one early morning I no longer take friends or buddies with me when I go to the casino. Their not cut out for it and they slow me down, that allows me to stay more focused on what I have to do.
Last edited by Blitzkrieg; 02-28-2015 at 11:01 AM.
Okay then. For me, there is a huge gap between "stupid" and "ignorant." My friend is definitely ignorant to counting cards, but not ignorant to the fact that he knows that he is going to lose in the long run. And I wouldn't consider him "stupid" in any way.
I am with you when it comes to not wanting to play with friends!When I go with my friend, I know that I am not as likely to make much because he plays so slow. When I say slow, I mean slllllloooooooowwwwww. I just accept the fact that I am going to have to help him with basic strategy while playing my game. It's still worth going because on the way there and back along with the comped dinner, we are able to talk about other business that we do together. Maybe I can get a tax deduction for going to the casino? Oh no, wait, it's comped. Probably not.
Another friend of mine was there recently on a different day. He knew that I was going to be there that day and vice versa. I was sitting at a 2D. When he walked up to sit down, they just happened to be switching dealers. I knew that the new dealer did not cut well so I got up just as he was sitting down! I explained to him later that I had to search for more positive waters to fish in. I was afraid it might seem strange that I was getting up as he was sitting down but there was no way I was going to play against that dealer. As an entrepreneur himself, he understood that me getting up was a business decision since I am all business there. I'm glad he understood.
Playing with friends that are gambling is difficult if you table hop. So far, i've found that it's just better not to play with them at all most of the time.
Your right, there is a gap between stupid and ignorant but it helps not to be "stuck on stupid." It doesn't annoy me to see players handing over their bankrolls to the house in blackjack when you know their making big mistakes like over betting as an example.Okay then. For me, there is a huge gap between "stupid" and "ignorant." My friend is definitely ignorant to counting cards, but not ignorant to the fact that he knows that he is going to lose in the long run. And I wouldn't consider him "stupid" in any way.
I am with you when it comes to not wanting to play with friends!
Another friend of mine was there recently on a different day. He knew that I was going to be there that day and vice versa. I was sitting at a 2D. When he walked up to sit down, they just happened to be switching dealers. I knew that the new dealer did not cut well so I got up just as he was sitting down! I explained to him later that I had to search for more positive waters to fish in. I was afraid it might seem strange that I was getting up as he was sitting down but there was no way I was going to play against that dealer. As an entrepreneur himself, he understood that me getting up was a business decision since I am all business there. I'm glad he understood.
Playing with friends that are gambling is difficult if you table hop. So far, i've found that it's just better not to play with them at all most of the time.
So you and your friend play together some of the time? That's good that the two of you enjoy each others company while at the casino. The last time me and my friend were at the casino we played together on a few tables. At one casino/table my friend was given the cut card and the player in last position snapped off with a remark and said this aloud to the people at the table, "He's ugly, don't let him cut the cards," he implied to the dealer. My friend ate the insult because he was probably intimidated by this half drunk clown and being in an environment that he is not accustomed to and the dealer tried to help my buddy out a bit by telling the guy in last position at the BJ table that, "If he wants to punch you in the face, I'm not going to stop anything." Well my friend is ugly and even I wouldn't deny that, but I wouldn't eat an insult at the blackjack table from anyone without giving someone a piece of my mind with a quick witted comeback.
Playing with friends who are not on the same sheet of music is what is difficult. I've learned that it's just better to go without them, that way we remain as friends/buddies.
Last edited by Blitzkrieg; 02-28-2015 at 11:27 AM.
When we left the table my friend expressed his anger at the remark that was directed at him. I watched it all go down without interfering and making a scene at the table which I didn't want. I was more surprised that my friend just took the insult without saying anything back. That's when I realized that the environment had him a bit uncomfortable. I know what I would have said if the comment were directed at me and it would not have been nice.
For a loner that's good that you stood up for your buddy in a wheelchair.
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