Part Time Professional Players (PTPPs)

[Blitzkrieg]

My bad. I did mispell it...but she was saying it the way I spelled it. Staying in line with the theme of this thread. It's worth knowing your're surroundings. My late friend Tony, was a Godsend in that regard. I rarely understand his lingo, so often I'd smile and nod as though I did. Speaking of service, there are two casinos where the bar in the sportsbook is the meeting place for the shall we say "Escort" service. Tony'd laugh and say "my, it looks like we have a working girl here tonite." I figured he was talking about a new waitress as he was looking in the direction of the waitress" station. Anyway, I'm sick as hell and can't talk so one of my friends that is also a waitress always gives me drinks (for tips) regardless of whether I'm playing or not...another one of those "unwritten rules". I rarely drink but this night a hot tottie hit the spot so I figured a 2nd is even better.

My friend is at her station which is adjacent to the end of the bar. So I go walk up to the bar to try to get her attention but I can't speak loud enough so she can hear me. Well, evidently I'm standing a little too close to this "working" girl for her "gentlemen" friends liking. He thinks I'm moving in on his territory when all I'm trying to do is get a hot tottie. "You got a problem pal?" Well, yes. Like a dumbass, I try to explain, without a voice, my purpose. "I suggest you back to F off now pal." He's clearly, pissed for a reason...and now I'm pissed and I don't even know why. So now we are squaring off, my friend is asking if I want lemon and honey and Tony (while laughing his ass off) is playing the role of peacemaker. Come sit down and drink your hot tottie Moses and I'll explain it to you. When it all came to together I was mortified. I'd almost got in a fight over a quest for a free hot tottie and a hooker...and didn't even know it.

It's good that cooler heads prevailed in the bar situation Moses. I noticed the misspelled words in your post but I had a feeling that you may have spelled the word according to how the lady pronounced it.

[BJGenius007]

As long as you aren't stopping in once a week to make your $500-1000 and you've got some solid cover and social game, they may not even know, and damned sure wouldn't care haha.



Precisely, and most places pool tips together amongst table dealers or specific to their respective pits. From the horses mouth (multiple dealer buddies) they would much rather get tipped whatever you're willing to give them, than to have you gamble it away for them. To them, its the equivalent of handing a starving Ethiopian kid a sandwich, and then taking it away before he could take a bite. Now, its one thing if its your compulsion or "mojo" to do it, they don't mind that, especially if you're consistent with it. But, if you are only going to tip them, say, 5 dollars an hour, they'd rather you not gamble it for them. Of course, there are rare occasions where they don't mind. IE, one time I got my butt kicked on a 21+3 table, and went to go "gamble" on some high limit slots out of frustration, hit a hand pay for nearly 5 figures, so I came back to the same dealer, thanked them, and told them I'd play them heads up in 21+3, buying in for $100, and playing even money on the 21+3 bet until I went broke on that $100, I told her (the dealer) that if I hit the side bet that it was hers entirely and if she wanted me to press it, to give me a wink. Our third hand in we hit the $5 side bet for $45, she gave me a wink. The very next hand we hit the $50 side bet for $450. I told her I'd love to press it but she'd have to take it. She tapped the black chips on the rail and shouted "$500 for the crew" and the casino came to a grinding halt, as every dealer in 3 or 4 pits give me a standing ovation.

In this instance, I was letting her know that I'd be tipping her from the sidebet ahead of time, and all I required was a little wink or nod to press it, and that it was hers if she wanted it. I can't ask her how she wants to be tipped, and she cannot answer me, like in most casinos. General rule of thumb is just kick the tip out there and let them drop it, but don't "gamble" on their tip unless your whole mission was to do so from the start.



Actually they aren't allowed to make a suggestion on how a player tips. Its a biiiiiiiiiiig no-no in most casinos. Their default is "no preference" but if you read their facial expressions 99.999999999% of the dealers are urging you just to drop it instead of wagering it.



Two things, I don't know where you play, but in just about every jurisdiction I've played in (almost all of them now) they aren't going to be allowed to answer how they "like" being tipped. Now, of course, if you're a regular and you have a rapport with the guy, he might let you know, but most won't even cross that ethical dilemma because they are urged not to by their employers as it carries a bad stigma with it. As far as the higher expectation goes, "part of something is better than all of nothing" rings a bell, and every dealer feels that way.

In a sense, you're literally wagering their paycheck, I doubt you'd want me to do that with yours.



Honestly, I've found the east coast is worse than the midwest for dealers not wanting their tips bet, and I don't blame them. CSM's, 6:5 games, 8 deck shoes, that's just a nightmare for tips.

Like you said though, you interact with a guy long enough and you get a feel for how they want it, and every so often you find a dealer that can count, well, and will suggest you bet it for him (if he knows you don't mind) so that he can take a pretty high percentage shot at doubling that tip. I know one guy specifically does that, and I play with him from time to time.



That's a terrible philosophy from where I'm standing, and I'll tell you why.

1.) you don't want to be remembered as the guy who doesn't tip
2.) you don't want to be the guy who doesn't tip on a table full of tippers, the laws of the universe will want you off that table (Karma, negative vibes/energy, dealer voodoo, etc.)
3.) being a good tipper generally gets you better penetration from my short experience
4.) I know a guy who gets half shoed heads up on 6D against one of my dealers because he never tips, so the dealer at this rate is almost intentionally making it "hard" on the guy to make any money, and I honestly don't blame the dealer. I watched this patron win like 4 grand one night on a $10 table and tip nothing, not even to the waitress for his drinks.

5) Dealers are allowed to make mistake in the particular time period. Dealers who know I am a good tipper often ACCIDENTALLY make errors in favor of me.

[marriedputter]

Could it be, though they employ different measures to keep counting, that Exoter and Aslan are both correct? I think so.

I have been busy lately so haven't been able to post on this thread. I couldn't help but notice though that Exoter seems to reflect my viewpoint perfectly. Longevity for us means being a very nice patron. Also, I happen to know that he and I are in the same part of the country, and it ain't Vegas. I suppose that if I were in Vegas, I would employ techniques that are similar to Aslan's.

Exoter and I simply can not be invisible with such a limited selection of casinos. Therefore, staying within limits and making them glad to see you are paramount. I too ask how dealer's kids are doing. A dealer showed me a picture of her new born baby recently. I even try to memorize their kids names and even pet names so that I can ask about them next time. It also helps to get them a little distracted talking about their families so that they may take a little attention off of my betting patterns.

Will all this "nice guy" routine keep me from being booted out? If I pass their comfort zone, of course not. But if they are going to know me anyway, I would rather be the loquacious and fun loving guy that they are glad to see. I don't ever appear to be concentrating. I look like I am there to be social and have fun.

I think Exoter may also be right about the EITS. I simply don't think that it is the same as Vegas. I have no way of knowing, but I DO know that I have been counting for a very long time in my local joints and have NEVER had a problem. I have a winning record and am getting comped so I must be doing something right.

As a counter, I am starting to think that I am lucky that I am not in Vegas.

[Dieter]

Shaking hands wouldn't have been prohibited in that area. When at the table, you're right in saying that they typically can't do it.

At my neighborhood place, dealers aren't supposed to have physical contact with players while on the floor, period.

That includes no shaking hands while walking to break.

[Exoter175]

5) Dealers are allowed to make mistake in the particular time period. Dealers who know I am a good tipper often ACCIDENTALLY make errors in favor of me.

Be careful of that, if you ever get caught and they review that, they'll nail you to the cross on collusion with a dealer.

Could it be, though they employ different measures to keep counting, that Exoter and Aslan are both correct? I think so.

I have been busy lately so haven't been able to post on this thread. I couldn't help but notice though that Exoter seems to reflect my viewpoint perfectly. Longevity for us means being a very nice patron. Also, I happen to know that he and I are in the same part of the country, and it ain't Vegas. I suppose that if I were in Vegas, I would employ techniques that are similar to Aslan's.

Exoter and I simply can not be invisible with such a limited selection of casinos. Therefore, staying within limits and making them glad to see you are paramount. I too ask how dealer's kids are doing. A dealer showed me a picture of her new born baby recently. I even try to memorize their kids names and even pet names so that I can ask about them next time. It also helps to get them a little distracted talking about their families so that they may take a little attention off of my betting patterns.

Will all this "nice guy" routine keep me from being booted out? If I pass their comfort zone, of course not. But if they are going to know me anyway, I would rather be the loquacious and fun loving guy that they are glad to see. I don't ever appear to be concentrating. I look like I am there to be social and have fun.

I think Exoter may also be right about the EITS. I simply don't think that it is the same as Vegas. I have no way of knowing, but I DO know that I have been counting for a very long time in my local joints and have NEVER had a problem. I have a winning record and am getting comped so I must be doing something right.

As a counter, I am starting to think that I am lucky that I am not in Vegas.

Reading your post makes me feel like I'm reading my own post. Either this is a byproduct of our environment, or we just happen to be very similar in how we approach "the system" and just coincidentally play in the same area of "not vegas".

I hope one day you run into me and introduce yourself!

[Nikky_Flash]

Thanks BK. I thought you'd get a kick out of that. As God as my witness - true story. Oh absolutely that would mess me up. I wouldn't be able to spell CAT if you spotted me the C and the A. It messed me up just thinking about it in rounds 5 and 6. She wasn't half-bad looking.

The last time I got a tap like that was a lady saying I could no longer play table games. She was so bloomin nice about it, I almost ask her for her number. Can you imagine explaining to people how we met?

this is probably the funniest post I've seen since the six foot amazon !

[Freightman]

this is probably the funniest post I've seen since the six foot amazon !

You think that was funny?
This actually happened a couple of days ago while out of town. The critter(ess) was an older woman of about 60 - whom you could tell was a real looker in her day - and still wasn't hard on the eyes. She was tall and statuesque. Within due course, she became my dealer in a heads up contest. Not sure how the conversation started, but in due course, I told her she had a nice backside. She thanked me for my kind words - but inquired, since my comments were somewhat targeted, if there were perhaps issues with the rest of the package. Not at all, I replied - I really don't know you that well, however, since we are having an off the record conversation, you also have what seems to be a pretty nice rack. I was anticipating better penetration with these comments - of the shoe that is - however, there dIdnt seem to be any more relaxation in that area. In due short course, I departed. The story may be continued at some future date.