"Fake" 9/6 JOB

[hitthat16]

I'm not sure if this has been addressed before or that well known, but I was walking around a new store the other day trying to find a 9/6 jacks or better machine to play through some free play.

Well, I found one. The thing is, after I sat down and looked a little closer at the machine, I noticed the bastards set a 2500 coin payout for a royal instead of 4000! The sneaky, evil bean counters!

The only saving grace was there was a real full pay 9/6 game elsewhere on the floor. I forgot to take a picture, otherwise I would have posted it here.

Has anyone seen this phenomenon? It's like 6:5 single deck, video poker style. Barf!

[RS]

Before clicking on the thread, I immediately knew it was gonna be about the 2500 coin RF variant. Hehe.

I've seen it before at the Palms.

[hitthat16]

Just did some more reading up on it and surprisingly it doesn't hurt as much as 8/5 does.

But I read a story about a poor person that thought he won a $4,000 royal but it was only a $2,500 royal. What a slap in the face. Casinos trying to prey on people that have been trained to "make sure it pays 9 for a full house and 6 for a flush".

Now you gotta add "and for the love of all that is good make sure the royal pays 4,000".

I've never seen that before and it made me sick to the stomach. Glad I caught it before I played a single hand. The whole point of playing VP is to hope for a royal, so casinos should freaking pay out a full jackpot for it. Geez.

[Dieter]

Just did some more reading up on it and surprisingly it doesn't hurt as much as 8/5 does.

You hit a lot more fulls and flushes than you do royals.

Personally, I'd rather play 2500/9/6 than 4000/9/5. I do have some acquaintances who play nickels very casually (casually enough so that they just aren't ever expecting to hit a royal), and the store they play at has some pretty lousy paytables... but I ask them to consider sacrificing the royal payout for a better low end as they move from 5@5c to 1@25c (like 7/5 to 8/5). They have noticed that their money lasts a whole lot longer, even if they're only getting $62 instead of $200 if they hit the royal.

If you're playing to kill time (and your main goal is losing very slowly), it's not such a bad deal.

If you play enough to plan on getting a royal a week, well, you know what to look for.

[RS]

Starting at a 99.54% baseline, a 2500 royal is a loss of about 0.75% from your return. 9/5 is about -1%, 8/6 is about -1%, and 8/5 is about -2.2%.

Doesn't matter how you cut it, 2500/9/6 is the best game, regardless of how much you play.

[mofungoo]

I wonder if strategy alterations are needed for the reduced Royals payout schedule?

[moo321]

I wonder if strategy alterations are needed for the reduced Royals payout schedule?

Probably. I'm guessing 4-flush over 3 to a royal. Maybe unsuited KJ over suited TJ, and maybe K over suited KT.

[hitthat16]

While I understand that the reduced royal doesn't hurt as much as reduced full house or flush, I just simply won't play this type of game.

It's just the principle of it. If I hit the jackpot I want the full jackpot! I didn't go through about 40,000 hands to get shorted in the end.

If someone told me they found a 9/6 game, but only with reduced royal, I'd tell them to go somewhere else. Doesn't matter that "they're already there". This rule disgusts me more than reduced boats and flushes, even though mathematically it's not as bad.

[Dieter]

It's just the principle of it.

The principle of losing less money offends you?

4000/9/6 is better than 2500/9/6. Sure, we all get that. Play the full pay, if it's available.

2500/9/6 is better than 4000/8/5. Darn right I'll play the short-pay 9/6, if those are the choices - particularly to run off some free slot play.

[hitthat16]

The principle of losing less money offends you?

4000/9/6 is better than 2500/9/6. Sure, we all get that. Play the full pay, if it's available.

2500/9/6 is better than 4000/8/5. Darn right I'll play the short-pay 9/6, if those are the choices - particularly to run off some free slot play.

Hold on now. I never said I would play or allow anyone I know to play short pays on boats and flushes. That's also an obomination.

I'm saying that if the only vp available was 2500/9/6 I would still skip it.

[RS]

Hold on now. I never said I would play or allow anyone I know to play short pays on boats and flushes. That's also an obomination.

What if you had a huge edge on 8/5 JoB?

[hitthat16]

What if you had a huge edge on 8/5 JoB?

Well that's a totally different issue.

[bigplayer]

It is a better game than 9/5/4000 and lower variance as well.