Very Skeptical

[MidwestTom]

What a great question!

1. One of the most important factors for pros is protecting games. I tell people that I trust about games that I want to protect. But posting it on the internet leads to people spreading min/max, blatantly abusing promos, etc.

2. Sometimes casinos do read these sites. A few people here have had backoffs based on posts. Not a ton, but enough that you shouldn't be too specific here.

3. Describing tactics is not very dangerous. Describing vulnerabilities is more dangerous (casinos can realize they are vulnerable). Describing tells is extremely dangerous (it tells the casinos what to look for). Describing game protection is just insanity (the casinos will figure out HOW to protect the games). I respond to posts with increasing ire as they disclose this information. Grosjean once corrected me for posting vaguely about game protection, and I now realize how right he was.

So in other words you see nothing wrong with someone posting something along the lines of "What are the rules at xx property?" and then someone replying "RSA2x, H17, No Surrender, 6D $25-500" etc. But you see everything wrong with someone posting "xxx property has a great 2D game. You CAN wong in & out because there IS mid shoe entry as well as RSA3x, S17, Insurance, 80% pen. and it's $5-1000".

If I comprehended your post correctly with the examples I gave above then I completely agree with you. But, if you play Pro ( for a living ) then I want to reiterate my initial question: Why would you want to share any ACCURATE information with me as far as tolerance, rules, min/max, heat, etc? I can tell you "Ok Thanks man, I'll be sure to play within the limits that the casino can stand without risk of a BO or ruining the game" but in all actuality MANY people will still over do it if the situation presents itself.

I preach longitivtiy because that is what matters most to me; Not quadrupling my initial BR in a ridiculously fast manor that risks immediate BO's.

[Solo player]

So in other words you see nothing wrong with someone posting something along the lines of "What are the rules at xx property?" and then someone replying "RSA2x, H17, No Surrender, 6D $25-500" etc. But you see everything wrong with someone posting "xxx property has a great 2D game. You CAN wong in & out because there IS mid shoe entry as well as RSA3x, S17, Insurance, 80% pen. and it's $5-1000".

This kind of talk is so common among the "A" typical internet poster who thinks they have something to prove to others, that it will never end. It still does not make it right but it is what it is. I would say most casinos could care less about BJ conditions being posted on message boards. I mean really. Does a casino care about some rookie counter posting about BJ conditions in Bum F**k Egypt? Or even the Strip for that matter? If new players stick around long enough they learn to keep there mouth shut about games and just play. I would guess the biggest threat from posting about game conditions and especially promos comes from other hard core players. Serious players(Those that even take the time to read the boards) have the smarts to sift thru all the posts and find a good game here and there, that newbie or wanna be players don't have enough sense to keep quiet about. Many/most just don't realize a good game when they find one. Hence the reason for posting game conditions to begin with.

I will pose these questions just to stir things up. How many casino personnel do you think really read message boards such as this? How many care? How many will change the rules to there games? Or be on the lookout for that "nickel" counter? Those that are shaking in there shoes because some nickel or quarter player posted there BJ conditions on a message board are not worth paying to begin with. Are we in the 21st century? Pretty much all casinos in this day and age are well aware of card counting. And if you find one that isn't, then ya better put a zipper on your lips. IMHO.

[moo321]

So in other words you see nothing wrong with someone posting something along the lines of "What are the rules at xx property?" and then someone replying "RSA2x, H17, No Surrender, 6D $25-500" etc. But you see everything wrong with someone posting "xxx property has a great 2D game. You CAN wong in & out because there IS mid shoe entry as well as RSA3x, S17, Insurance, 80% pen. and it's $5-1000".

If I comprehended your post correctly with the examples I gave above then I completely agree with you. But, if you play Pro ( for a living ) then I want to reiterate my initial question: Why would you want to share any ACCURATE information with me as far as tolerance, rules, min/max, heat, etc? I can tell you "Ok Thanks man, I'll be sure to play within the limits that the casino can stand without risk of a BO or ruining the game" but in all actuality MANY people will still over do it if the situation presents itself.

I preach longitivtiy because that is what matters most to me; Not quadrupling my initial BR in a ridiculously fast manor that risks immediate BO's.

I share info with others because they share with me. I've learned about tracking, machine plays, and lots of "secrets of the temple" from other pros. So, I share things with them in exchange. Or if there's a game I can't play, I'll tell someone else.