Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
I do not see how this is legal. Shuffling away the good counts, while playing through the bad counts, IS changing the outcome of the game, which is supposed to be illegal.
It could be argued that shuffle trackers do the same thing. By intentionally cutting the bad cards out of play they are "shorting" the deck. You might even go so far as to say that it "Alters the normal criteria of random selection, which affects the operation of a game or which determines the outcome of a game."

Now I'm not saying that I agree with that opinion, but APs often have little to win and a lot to lose by initiating such legal actions. That's how casinos are able to get away with a lot of their illegal behavior.

Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
I know Bob N has said on occasion, that he also believes this would not stand a challenge if one was ever made.
He has also opined that playing the turn (can we finally stop calling it edge sorting?) is illegal. And I'm SURE he could back that up in a courtroom.

Ken Uston thought that the casino's exclusion of skilled players should be illegal. I agree, but I disagree that it should have been tested in court.

Although APs have a long way to go in our fight for civil rights, I think it could be dangerous to open the Pandora's box of legal scrutiny to specific AP techniques. Let them shuffle up on us if they catch us. It'll just encourage us to find ways to not get caught, or to use that shuffle to our advantage. You can beat them in court or you can beat them at the tables. Choose wisely. Your decision will affect many other APs.

-Sonny-