Casinos are more clever than ever?

[privador81]

In my option nowadays casino are more clever then ever.
They LET you play 8d 6/8pen game even if they know u are counting!
Your hourly rate is nonexistent, variation is huge
If u open the table u bring more activity to the table. Ploppies dont tend to open tables
Thats my thought when i see lots of standard rules in Europe 6 decks 4-4,5/6 pen, no surr

Casinos isnt intrested in barring people. If they do so they could pissed of some adv player friends who can be highroller ploppies
So they give you poor game and anyone is happy...

[muffdiver]

That game can be beaten IF you have unlimited time to play AND huge spreads are allowed. Wonging makes it better yet.

[Three]

As they make their edge bigger it is just more important that you do everything you can to increase your edge. That is a simple and obvious thing not something that is complex. There are a number of different ways to do this using a wide array of approaches.

[Three]

The difference is however, that you're suggesting to utilise other methods ASWELL as counting, whereas I am suggesting using them INSTEAD of.

No I wasn't. I said

you do everything you can to increase your edge.

"Everything" you can is all inclusive. You just were slow on the up take. Some methods of getting an advantage in a casino are from games that shuffle after each hand or games that use no cards.

[Pierce]

One such way to increase your edge would be to forget counting alltogether in favour of other methods.

[Three]

One such way to increase your edge would be to forget counting alltogether in favour of other methods.

I thought my wording included that in the "different ways to do this using a wide array of approaches". I could have said different ways or wide array of approaches but by saying both I tried to make it clear to the slow on the uptake that getting a higher edge has a number of sources.

[Pierce]

I thought my wording included that in the "different ways to do this using a wide array of approaches". I could have said different ways or wide array of approaches but by saying both I tried to make it clear to the slow on the uptake that getting a higher edge has a number of sources.

The difference is however, that you're suggesting to utilise other methods ASWELL as counting, whereas I am suggesting using them INSTEAD of.

[Solo player]

One such way to increase your edge would be to forget counting alltogether in favour of other methods.

Whomever found this post "Non helpful" should make friends with some real advantage players. Counters and non counters alike.

[Pierce]

Whomever found this post "Non helpful" should make friends with some real advantage players. Counters and non counters alike.

Indeed. Last week I played a game at a 35% advantage, It sort of makes Blackjack pathetically irrelevant. I don't even count anymore unless theres a promotion that makes it worthwhile.

[Ouchez]

Indeed. Last week I played a game at a 35% advantage, It sort of makes Blackjack pathetically irrelevant. I don't even count anymore unless there is a promotion that makes it worthwhile.

BJ mostly is becoming irrelevant, due to h-17 8 deck, advanced surveillance and a number of other things. Where I have been playing all weekend, still there, you would have thought you were back in BJ 1980. But of course this is a rarity of the rare. The machines my wife has been beating the piss out of are 1980 machines!! Advanced techniques, like STing are great, HC great when you find it, promos on machines, games, great when you find it. I however would never want to be a Pro AP, I think any one with the brains to do it would be far better in the bizzness world, I highly value my career over all but family, and I think that has been a very good thing for me, leaving AP as a serious recreation on weekends, every now and then. The gambling, poker, casino craze is dying out, slowly but surely, this is the nature of things, and people. Maybe in the end it will be better for AP's, I think it will.

O

[MJGolf]

BJ mostly is becoming irrelevant, due to h-17 8 deck, advanced surveillance and a number of other things. Where I have been playing all weekend, still there, you would have thought you were back in BJ 1980. But of course this is a rarity of the rare. The machines my wife has been beating the piss out of are 1980 machines!! Advanced techniques, like STing are great, HC great when you find it, promos on machines, games, great when you find it. I however would never want to be a Pro AP, I think any one with the brains to do it would be far better in the bizzness world, I highly value my career over all but family, and I think that has been a very good thing for me, leaving AP as a serious recreation on weekends, every now and then. The gambling, poker, casino craze is dying out, slowly but surely, this is the nature of things, and people. Maybe in the end it will be better for AP's, I think it will.

O

Ouchez: This has kind of turned into a philosophical thread, but I agree with you wholeheartedly. The recreation/avocation thing means more. I appreciate more and more how difficult it would be to do this professionally (and the other AP plays that you guys make (like Munchkin, etc) I don't really understand or know, other in the most rudimentary sense.) But hopefully the casinos will wise up in the long run and at least give the "illusion" that you can win, v. being lucky. It's like the lottery.......play it enough times and you don't really play it any more. State's revenues from lotteries continue to decrease proportionately.....therefore they have to increase pots (Powerballs' relative recent increase in jackpot prize but double cost to $2/ticket). If every game, and I mean EVERY game is always in the casino's favor (unless AP is involved), then the 'masses' will eventually become lackadasical and quit going to casinos. It's already happening. There are too many; it's not as exciting any more. The "millenials" seem to be fairly UNINTERESTED in gaming............though they like the "Vegas" experience for clubbing and pool parties.......but you don't see them playing games much. And the younger players I see playing BJ have NO idea what they are doing. I sometimes ask them if they read anything on the game to learn strategy.........and I tend to get a nonsensical blank eyed stare as in ........read? what's that? LOL

Powers that be need to rethink things and marketing..........This is a TOUGH game to truly win at and just the illusory policy that someone can "beat" the game, without so much heat, would be a "shot in the arm" to the industry I believe. After all, you get past the headlines of "BJ Player wins $15 million from AC casinos" ala Don Johnson, and then you realize NO average player is going to get this game or play at that level. How do you bring Middle Income Mom and Pop OR younger generation to the game?

[Three]

Whomever found this post "Non helpful" should make friends with some real advantage players. Counters and non counters alike.

Or they weren't slow on the uptake.

[Jabberwocky]

SLOW ON THE UPTAKE! That's me in spades!