When a dealer pushes chips in my direction, I stack them.
And I keep my cakehole closed.
Well I got a nice one today that I freely accepted. Got dealt a natural, dealers upcard a 10. I noticed she did not check for Ace in the hole. She paid me off, played the round out, then low and behold has a Ace in the hole! Sorry, I already dragged my chips. She didn't request them back, I didn't offer. Player next to me gave me a "that was weird" look. Play continued.
Originally Posted by ohbehave
Well I got a nice one today that I freely accepted
Yes, but just think of the attention you could have caused yourself, table stopped, EITS making a review, viewing you as a shot taker. Hmm,,not for me, maybe at one time, not now.
O
Not sure how that would be perceived as shot-taking. I did nothing but take the chips before she finished playing out the round. If she had called the floor and requested the chips back I'd have complied but she did neither.Yes, but just think of the attention you could have caused yourself, table stopped, EITS making a review, viewing you as a shot taker. Hmm,,not for me, maybe at one time, not now.
O
I also saw it as an opportunity to confirm my suspicions about this places surveillance; in fact I did very briefly consider leaving the chips out until the hole card was revealed but decided it was worth getting that info so I pulled the chips.
Yes , You have a Bj and the dealer has 21,since they did not reveal it at the beginning. So you win. it maybe different somewhere else. i do not remember dealer counted as a bj(probably 1-2 times that i forgot) if they do not check 1st . Yeah, I even lose count at times .Well I got a nice one today that I freely accepted
After reading this thread the past couple days, today was first day I played blackjack since. Went to a very friendly place locally. Wasn't to me but a couple times the dealer paid on a push to some folks, one took it'; nothing was said. The other one brought it to dealer's attention; who called pit boss; who confirmed it was a push. Put the chips back in the tray. This player said it was bad karma to take money that he didn't think was his. "The blackjack gods would take it back from him in another way or fashion". Interesting take. But I had been at this same casino on another day when a dealer had paid everyone at the table when she drew like a 6 card 21, thinking she had busted. No one said anything and we just looked at each other; acknowledged it/winked and kept playing. No eye in sky attention later; no pb asked for it to be returned. I just figured it was missed.
So tonight I asked the dealers what happened if they overpaid and no player said anything or no surveillance/pit boss noticed it. They said "the eyes in the sky" supposedly didn't miss anything and upon later analysis or review of the games, they would be corrected after their shift or at a later date. So they got dressed down a little but no one said jobs threatened or anything that serious. Just coached or redressed verbally.
This is a small friendly place where the dealers keep their own tokes. In my situation, I tipped the dealer a little more than I usually would after the payoff on her 21 which we should have lost. I think that truthfully, though my conscience would act differently in the grocery store situation, in the casino, I think my 'moral compass' runs both ways. If the dealer is a jerk or not being nice, I'm sure not going to bring it up. If the dealer is fun, nice and making the environment a better place to play, then assuredly, I'm going to bring the proper play to his or her attention. So that way he or she doesn't have to incur any redress. So honestly, I don't think there is a consistent way I would treat an overpayment.
I also observe the following facts, if a dealer made a mistake to pay me, the player next to me would not say a thing(unless he is a counter, people usually would not care what you got). Likewise, when I noticed a dealer made mistake to pay the player(I always notice, because i count), but I would not say a thing, because that is none of my business.
I have a place that looks like BJ hell but the rate of mispays by dealers with many years at the casino has led me to believe that they have no EITS. That is very valuable info.
I have only had a mispay requested back once by a call from above at any casino. Often the Floor will be watching and miss it or OK an incorrect chip exchange. I usually try to establish a history of correcting the mistakes I think the suit watching will correct anyway. A lot of the cat and mouse game that is actually in your control is based on a confidence game. Make them believe you by showing them what they want to see and then use that confidence in you to get courtesies, for lack of a better word, extended to you. The courtesy amy come in many forms. One of which is believing you didn't intentionally take a mispay. It is no different than showing them a bunch of dumb plays while they are watching so you can get away with smart plays the rest of the time. The difference is the consequences of what you are doing. You might have to give the money back on a mispay vs you will get backed off as a counter quicker if they don't buy your cover. T he same goes for ratholing. The deception works as long as they are confident you aren't doing it. Once they know you do it every session you play your win recorded in the computer will be more than your actual win. Every unaccounted for chip wil be assessed to you as being in your pocket.
No question, O, protecting your longevity takes precedence. I have pointed out mistakes more often than I've accepted them. Usually its so obvious the dealer would have caught it anyway. I wouldn't take chips for instance if she mistakenly paid a wager intended for the next round.
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