Transitioning to counting

[Nikky_Flash]

Hey Nikky!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqDwER9QQwQ

That cracked me up ... thanks for sharing that ...

How do we know that's an authentic one-legged duck and not just an impostor duck showing off for internet-attention? Or to get on Tosh.0 or AFV... I've known ducks to do that ...

I also noticed that the guy who owns that YouTube channel is wearing a Skull mask ... coincidence perhaps ?

[Skull]

How do we know that's an authentic one-legged duck and not just an impostor duck showing off for internet-attention?

Because it was me who snatched his leg out?

I also noticed that the guy who owns that YouTube channel is wearing a Skull mask ... coincidence perhaps ?

HAHAHA That's true man, I hadn't noticed that! Well, I guess now you know what I had for dinner last night

14 seconds on a hand deck? I'd pay to see that vocalized. There's no way, in my mind, that someone can legitimately vocalize a hand deck down in 14 seconds. Computer deck, I can see pretty far down there, but a hand deck yourself? I don't believe it. Or maybe I'm just really slow with tossing the cards out there.

What do you mean by "vocalized"? Do you say the RC out loud while counting down a deck of cards? That would definitely slow things down, but I not only don't see the usefulness of it but also think it is a very bad habit to have.
I don't flip the cards like you, but I constantly get to 15 sec. I am sure I could get to 14 sec, but like Mcallister and you (and me!) agree, it is useless as far as real casino play is concerned.

I've always enjoyed very much to count down an actual deck of cards, because I can have one with me all the time and do a little practice anywhere. The problem was that I quickly noticed it didn't relate too much to the game itself; I was getting good at it, but I would still have problems while practicing the game with CV. After studying different ways to count a deck, I ended up counting it two cards at a time, but tossing only one at a time at the table (I just don't have the manual ability to grab two cards at a time). So now I automatically count pairs of cards, what makes it much easier to scan the table, but I still find it very useful to count down decks of cards. It keeps you sharp, I guess.

If I could flip two cards at a time, I am pretty sure I could go well below 14 sec. But as my father used to say every time I mentioned I wanted to buy a nice motorcycle "I don't need such public demonstrations of virility." HAHAHA

Best!

[Exoter175]

Haha ll take the bet if your offering?

Daryl P could allegedly count a deck in 8 seconds, that was using a table spread as opposed to the method you describe. Like I say, how fast you can make your playing decisions is much more important. Counting becomes silly easy once you start grouping 4 cards together, means you only have to count 13 times as opposed to 52.

Well shit, you could put out 26 cards into two sets and I'd be able to count it down in seconds. I'm talking about a 1 by 1 hand flip while vocalizing the RC. Low 20's, high teens I can see possible. Less than 15? I wouldn't believe it until I saw it.

What do you mean by "vocalized"? Do you say the RC out loud while counting down a deck of cards? That would definitely slow things down, but I not only don't see the usefulness of it but also think it is a very bad habit to have.
I don't flip the cards like you, but I constantly get to 15 sec. I am sure I could get to 14 sec, but like Mcallister and you (and me!) agree, it is useless as far as real casino play is concerned.

I've always enjoyed very much to count down an actual deck of cards, because I can have one with me all the time and do a little practice anywhere. The problem was that I quickly noticed it didn't relate too much to the game itself; I was getting good at it, but I would still have problems while practicing the game with CV. After studying different ways to count a deck, I ended up counting it two cards at a time, but tossing only one at a time at the table (I just don't have the manual ability to grab two cards at a time). So now I automatically count pairs of cards, what makes it much easier to scan the table, but I still find it very useful to count down decks of cards. It keeps you sharp, I guess.

If I could flip two cards at a time, I am pretty sure I could go well below 14 sec. But as my father used to say every time I mentioned I wanted to buy a nice motorcycle "I don't need such public demonstrations of virility." HAHAHA

Best!

Yes, count out loud, as that's the only true way to validate the count. I could throw 52 cards out there very, very fast and say "Zero" and done, because I know the RC total of a deck, as we all know. I mainly do the one card flip and count in my head (not vocalize) because I want to be as honed as possible in a single card basis because I often encounter some VERY fast dealers, and I mean lightning quick. The kind you write to Ripley's Believe it or Not, and call the Guinness Book about. So when I see them heads up, I'm taking too much time to count "hands" or even when its 2 on 1, or it slows down the cornucopia that is the current HPH.

[Pierce]

Well shit, you could put out 26 cards into two sets and I'd be able to count it down in seconds. I'm talking about a 1 by 1 hand flip while vocalizing the RC. Low 20's, high teens I can see possible. Less than 15? I wouldn't believe it until I saw it.




Yes, count out loud, as that's the only true way to validate the count. I could throw 52 cards out there very, very fast and say "Zero" and done, because I know the RC total of a deck, as we all know. I mainly do the one card flip and count in my head (not vocalize) because I want to be as honed as possible in a single card basis because I often encounter some VERY fast dealers, and I mean lightning quick. The kind you write to Ripley's Believe it or Not, and call the Guinness Book about. So when I see them heads up, I'm taking too much time to count "hands" or even when its 2 on 1, or it slows down the cornucopia that is the current HPH.

No its not the only way to validate it. Take out three random cards and count down the deck, the count of the three cards will opposite your RC if you are correct. Repeat with as many cards taken out as you wish. Counting down a deck out loud is pointless really, It's slowing you down for no gain whatsoever. Plus the fact that counting down a deck card by card is inefficient anyway, you should be counting 2 at a time at least.
But i'll say it again anyway, this is all trivial. Being able to make playing decisions quickly is much more valuable. In a real game you could count the cards a good 7 times before they get stuck in the discard tray.

[Exoter175]

No its not the only way to validate it. Take out three random cards and count down the deck, the count of the three cards will opposite your RC if you are correct. Repeat with as many cards taken out as you wish. Counting down a deck out loud is pointless really, It's slowing you down for no gain whatsoever. Plus the fact that counting down a deck card by card is inefficient anyway, you should be counting 2 at a time at least.
But i'll say it again anyway, this is all trivial. Being able to make playing decisions quickly is much more valuable. In a real game you could count the cards a good 7 times before they get stuck in the discard tray.

You'd want to replace those three you took out though, otherwise its not a full deck! But you are correct, that is another form of validation I suppose.

I practice 1xflip mainly because a majority of my game is steered towards heads up play against fast dealers that I've scouted. And I don't mean fast, I mean, the fastest you've ever seen in your life, not just in cards coming out by shuffles, shoe changes, every aspect of the game, I have two specific dealers who are just terrifyingly fast, and HPH is like eleventybillion, and I find that sometimes I'm not nearly as accurate in 3+ card felt counts going this fast, as when I'm counting 1 by 1.

[Skull]

Yes, count out loud, as that's the only true way to validate the count.

That's definitely not the only true way to validate the count. One of my criticisms/suggestions of CV counting drills (found in one previous thread of mine somewhere) was that you always knew the ending count, so it was almost like cheating. If the count was -6 by the end of the deck I could anticipate that low cards are coming and, as you said, I would know the end-count will be zero. So I asked Norm if there were some way of counting down a deck taken within a 6-deck shoe so that I couldn't possibly know the end count. Well, that's exactly what I do at home. ALL my decks are mixed up to form 6-deck shoes. From time to time I get a 52-card set and use it for practice. At least the first time I count the deck I believe you would agree it has no bias.