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  1. 06-01-2014, 09:53 PM #1
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    Asm

    I read on a blog by Richard Marcus that some casinos were caught cheating by
    disabling the ASM and preserving a "false shuffle"

    http://richardmarcus-pokercheats.blo...-cheating.html

    is this right?

    I also overheard a pitboss telling a dealer something like
    "then the sensor on the bottom(of the ASM) can't read the card"
    did I hear right? I must be losing my mind.
    If there is a sensor on the bottom that reads the card somehow,
    doesn't that mean there is some kind of a sort going on?
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  2. 06-02-2014, 03:11 AM #2
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahjooma View Post
    I read on a blog by Richard Marcus that some casinos were caught cheating by
    disabling the ASM and preserving a "false shuffle"

    http://richardmarcus-pokercheats.blo...-cheating.html

    is this right?

    I also overheard a pitboss telling a dealer something like
    "then the sensor on the bottom(of the ASM) can't read the card"
    did I hear right? I must be losing my mind.
    If there is a sensor on the bottom that reads the card somehow,
    doesn't that mean there is some kind of a sort going on?
    but we get to cut the deck...
    “It seemed to me ... that any civilization that had so far lost its head as to need to include a set of detailed instructions for use in a package of toothpicks, was no longer a civilization in which I could live and stay sane.”
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  3. 06-02-2014, 06:01 AM #3
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    I don't understand how ASMs work at all, but I am wondering if
    it can clump similar cards or something.
    Is there a sensor on the bottom on some of them to read the card and continuously
    push them to some spot?
    I haven't seen a lot of hand shuffled games lately.
    i know I don't have enough sample size, but this place it is much harder and takes me longer to win money
    than other places I go despite favorable rules.
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  4. 06-02-2014, 06:12 AM #4
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    The MD3 ASMs read the cards and red light when something is amiss. For example, card missing, extra card of same rank, etc. It is somewhat unrealiable, as I've frequently heard pit boss laughing at the readout when it says things like, "missing 4 of spades and one joker present."
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  5. 06-02-2014, 06:21 AM #5
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    That makes sense then. Thanks 21.
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  6. 06-02-2014, 07:14 AM #6
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  7. 06-02-2014, 07:43 AM #7
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    Interesting that this thread is here. Let me first say, as a green chipper, I am aware of the variance swings and I'm not a sore loser. I really take both loses and wins honorably. Even those days when you would swear that "the blackjack gods" are out to stomp you LOL.

    With that said, just as the OP, I recently was wondering about ASM at a certain casino due to a couple coincidences. Looking at my session logs, I have NEVER won at this particular casino in a considerable amount of times I have played there. To that, yea, we would all say "so what, big deal"....but the odd thing I have noticed is that without fail, every time I have been there (playing the DD pit), at one point or another the ASM gets tripped up and shoes red light (at different tables, not just one). A couple
    Weeks ago they actually had bring a "new" machine because they couldn't get one of the machines to "work". My third data point in this not-so-controlled experiment is the "voodoo" part, that is, incredibly crazy negative variance. Dealers always show the "ten up" card, they just can't bust, and continuously pull 5 card 21's, etc etc...you get the picture.

    So that's what made me think of "hmmm...I wonder if..." Then I see this thread...LOL.

    For what it's worth this is a casino in the San Diego area, four letter word, starts with a "P" :-/
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  8. 06-02-2014, 08:08 AM #8
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    If you think it is ordering the cards in a cooler order just go in and tape the order on audiotape. Don't play, just watch. The only place I was suspicious of got rid of the ASM's to save money. So much for that theory.

    I visit casinos rarely or not at all if they have a long history of kicking my arse. The ones I beat consistently are visited as often as longevity concerns allow. Often there are reasons for these trends that you might not understand. It rarely is cheating. Of course when a casino regulates itself game integrity is always a concern. That is the problem with many Indian casinos. Usually the issue is unpredictable table crowding, penetration, game speed and/or crappy rules. The go to casinos have really fast dealers and predictably uncrowded conditions.
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  9. 06-02-2014, 08:22 AM #9
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    For what it's worth this is a casino in the San Diego area, four letter word, starts with a "P" :-/[/QUOTE]
    lol, I'm the one who was wearing the eye patch.
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  10. 06-02-2014, 10:09 AM #10
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    Tthree, you mean read out loud the sequence into a tape?
    I'm not sure I can pull that off and they know my face so they know I'm not a crazy
    person. I wish I had photographic memory.
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  11. 06-02-2014, 12:15 PM #11
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    We get to cut... I still can't believe these threads are being started.


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  12. 06-02-2014, 12:37 PM #12
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    [QUOTE=RobinHood21;132745]We get to cut... I still can't believe these threads are being started.

    Well, I still wasn't really clear on how Asm's worked after that last thread or what kind of
    model I was looking at in this particular casino.
    i think it's not always correct to presume that a casino would not cheat because they have so much at
    stake. I have reasons to suspect something in this casino.

    I will investigate it another way if it bothers you so much Robinhood.
    i value your opinion as a dealer so I'll shut up about ASM.
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  13. 06-02-2014, 12:46 PM #13
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    I don't mean to offend anyone...

    ASMs can read cards and sort cards... I'm not a dealer by the way... But casino personnel only use these functions to make sure all cards are still intact. If there is a discrepancy, most if not all casino personnel will sort the cards manually... I for one am hesitant to trust the machines.

    As far as rigging shoes or pushing cards to certain spots... That's where the cut card comes in. If you personally cut the cards you should feel 100% sure your not being cheated. Because it is impossible to determine where you will cut. But if a confederate cuts then we may have something.


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