Full REKO Index for 8d h17 RSA LS DAS

[newbj]

Hi,

I know it's rude to have a first post be a request for information but I'm having a lot of trouble finding exactly what I need. We are utilizing a team play strategy such that using a more complex index is not going to be very difficult. From what I understand the free book has an index for this game, but for 6d, and it's a risk-averse index. We don't want to go completely to REKO-F but are thinking of adding a couple of surrenders at some index number. Is it OK to use REKO in combination with REKO-F i.e. play regular REKO and just take a couple of surrender values from REKO-F? Presumably if we played regular REKO and only took insurance at +4 that would be bad, right? I guess part of my question is what exactly is meant by "increase advantage" in regards to implementing REKO-F, and can we pick and choose parts of it while still using REKO for everything else? If insurance is the most important playing decision, should we implement the +4 insurance? Is insuring in our game at +2 and +3 a losing play, or just a high variance play? Is there such a thing as a "full-index" for REKO (for our game) such that I could comb through it and come up with one or two additional index numbers that will work for us?

I am most interested in adding the 14v9 and 14vA surrenders as I think that will have the best bang for the buck. What kind of an impact will this have on our variance? We are playing a 1-15 spread in an 80% penetration $10-$500 game. We both have full-time jobs and are used to large gambling swings. We would definitely keep playing if we lost $10k but would probably quit if we lost $20k.

To be sure I am using terms correctly: Game is eight deck. Dealer hits on soft 17. Can always double except on split aces, in which case we cannot double, get only a single card, and blackjack does not pay a bonus. Can resplit any pair including aces up to 4 hands total. Can always surrender except vs dealer showing Ace upcard in which case they will first check for blackjack, but then let you surrender if they don't have blackjack. Dealers leave 1.5 decks in shoe before shuffling.

To boil down my question: At what RCs should we surrender 14v9 and 14vA? I am looking for both numbers, not one composite. REKO count starting -27.

Thank you very much for any help you can provide.

[207redchipper]

Hi,


To be sure I am using terms correctly: Game is eight deck. Dealer hits on soft 17. Can always double except on split aces, in which case we cannot double, get only a single card, and blackjack does not pay a bonus.

"Blackjack does not pay a bonus" Can you clarify this? If the BJ pays less than 3:2 do not play that game period, unless seriously back counting and Wonging out. And even then..

[newbj]

I meant they don't pay 3:2 when you get AT after splitting. This is standard in all casinos, no? They pay regular 3:2 when you get blackjack with your first two cards only.

[Blitzkrieg]

According to the hosts' book, you should insure at +4 but it's for a S17 8 deck game. http://qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage246.htm and http://qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage247.htm I am not sure why there isn't a set of tables for a 8D H17 game, my only guess is that the game might not be worth the effort unless great rules are offered.

"Eight Decks There is one variation for eight decks. We remove the 12v4 variation and just use Basic Strategy for this play. It turns out that with eight decks, that variation does not work well with REKO. Note: If you use the tables for the wrong number of decks, you will still have a significant advantage, just not quite as high. Using the correct betting tables is far more important than using the correct playing tables. The fewer the number of decks, the greater the value realized from these playing modifications." http://qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage74.htm The basic strategy generator on this page does not account for RSA for an 8 deck game when calculating the estimated casino edge given for the rules you seek. http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bjbse.p...rr=ls&peek=yes A player should always seek out the best games in order to lower the edge that the house has over the player.

[muckz]

It is very hard to make an accurate index for unbalanced counts in multiple deck games. This is why some index plays are removed as you will be using them incorrectly most of the time. Unless the index play is near the pivot such as(h17 game) insurance, 10vA, 16vA, and 14vA surrender.

If you're going to be using REKO use it for what it's designed, SIMPLICITY.

If you want to go any further in complexity with REKO, you need to look into Unbalanced True Countin; Fred Renzey's Blackjack Bluebook II and Daniel Dravot's Color of Blackjack are excellent places to start.