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    composition dependant combinatorial analyzer (CDCA) question

    I was playing around with the composition dependant combinatorial analyzer at this website http://www.bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi

    I was trying to understand what some of the numbers represent.

    My question: In the upper chart, what does the EV in the various boxes mean?

    For instance, under the 2 it says 9.995 in the EV row. What does a 9.995 expected value mean in the 2 column mean?

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    In the top box the boxes in the EV row are the EV's for the selected hand against the various dealer up-cards.

    Th second box gives the probability of each dealer total for the hand selected against the dealer up-cards.

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    Thanks. Does an EV of 9.995 mean that for each dollar I spend I can expect that I will profit $0.09995 over the long haul?

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    I means for the conditions the cell represents your EV is that percentage of your bet.

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    cool thanks

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    I have had an offline version of one of these for some while and I've always wondered what advantage perfect play would have in the real world over a Hi-Lo count in, say, a 6 deck game where the dealer places the cut card about one deck from the end. Anybody ever done such an analysis ?

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    ummagumma,

    Yes, the esteemed poster "ericfarmer" has posted such results, see this thread:

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...r-optimal-play

    Hope this helps!

    Dog Hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dog Hand View Post
    ummagumma,

    Yes, the esteemed poster "ericfarmer" has posted such results, see this thread:

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...r-optimal-play

    Hope this helps!

    Dog Hand
    Thanks. Brilliant. Just what I needed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dog Hand View Post
    ummagumma,

    Yes, the esteemed poster "ericfarmer" has posted such results, see this thread:

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...r-optimal-play

    Hope this helps!

    Dog Hand
    The referenced analysis evolved in complexity and accuracy several times based on useful input from this forum; following are a couple of additional threads with more accurate numbers and additional thoughts/comments:

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...r-optimal-play

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...itivity-to-ROR

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    Brilliant eric. Thanks a lot.

    As I've commented, the Tthree's insistence that the 20% increase in the hourly rate that Hi-Opt II gives is more than trivial is true of course, but when you're paying a cost of 200% more effort it puts it into a little more perspective. For some that won't be a great trade-off...

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    What do these numbers mean and what is their difference?

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    And is there an offline version of this program?
    Are there any more advanced programs like this calculator?

    thx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dog Hand View Post
    ummagumma,

    Yes, the esteemed poster "ericfarmer" has posted such results, see this thread:

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...r-optimal-play

    Hope this helps!

    Dog Hand
    Hi Doghand,

    Do you mind to help me to calculate the CD ev for (A,2) vs T, 8 deck, ENHC.

    Most calculators give CD ev = -17.028%, except CD ev by icountNTrack calculator is -16.189%.

    Why the ev so much different ?

    How to contact icountNTrack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James989 View Post
    Hi Doghand,

    Do you mind to help me to calculate the CD ev for (A,2) vs T, 8 deck, ENHC.

    Most calculators give CD ev = -17.028%, except CD ev by icountNTrack calculator is -16.189%.

    Why the ev so much different ?

    How to contact icountNTrack?
    James989,

    The Wizard of Odds gives -0.170282, which agrees with the -17.028% that you said is given by most calculators; see

    https://wizardofodds.com/games/black.../euro-8dh17r4/

    I don't know why ICountNTrack's value differs so much, nor do I know how to contact him. Apparently, his last visit to this board was in mid-January.

    Hope this helps!

    Dog Hand

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