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    What is the fastest way to get to the long run in Blackjack?

    By playing solo what is the fastest way to get to the long run?

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    Play good games heads up vs fast dealers.

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    I would consider adding betting a small fraction of Kelly to avoid large bet cuts when plagued by negative variance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    By playing solo what is the fastest way to get to the long run?
    The fastest way to get to the long run is to shorten the long run.

    That is always minimise N0 by an means available - wonging is the best bet.

    Norm - could these two posts be put somewhere here so I don't keep referring to them:

    http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...eads-howto.pdf
    http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...ng_Spreads.pdf .

    Maybe you could set up a CVCX example for people to play with.

    Brett.

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    The absolute fastest way

    Use an optimal bet ramp and bet the same thing over and over.

    The problem is then you have a stated ROR due to table minimums. Some may think this to be reckless Also, one cannot get to the long run if they go broke! To be able to bet the same thing; or close to it, over and over must, MUST bet a very small fraction of Kelly

    The above generally holds true even with micro banks because if they don't go broke future earnings are possible.

    Wonging, 2 hands, speed of play, game selection also important

    Lesser so count used and Indicies, all those sand box fighting topics
    Last edited by blackjack avenger; 10-20-2012 at 04:22 AM.

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    Wonging and always wonging in to play two hands if others are at the table. Two hands gets you to infinity twice as fast right?
    But then again isnt twice as fast to infinity the same regardless... jk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    By playing solo what is the fastest way to get to the long run?
    while i guess N0's aren't actually the long run, i guess they are a close thing that we can put a number on that is getting towards the vicinity of the long run.
    consider the thoughts in this link:
    http://blackjacktheforum.com/showthr...ll=1#post17397
    one thing though regarding that tactic would be a consideration of frequency of the optimized plays, i believe.
    Last edited by sagefr0g; 10-22-2012 at 08:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigplayer View Post
    Play good games heads up vs fast dealers.
    This is word for word what I was going to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagefr0g View Post
    while i guess N0's aren't actually the long run, i guess they are a close thing that we can put a number on that is getting towards the vicinity of the long run.
    consider the thoughts in this link:
    http://blackjacktheforum.com/showthr...ll=1#post17397
    one thing though regarding that tactic would be a consideration of frequency of the optimized plays, i believe.
    Why doesn't n0s measure long run? Isn't that what it does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack avenger View Post
    Why doesn't n0s measure long run? Isn't that what it does?
    truth is i dunno.
    just what i thought was, that nothing practical really can measure it or even mimic it, except maybe simulations which are in the multiple upon multiple of millions or more hands. no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack avenger View Post
    Why doesn't n0s measure long run? Isn't that what it does?
    Depends on your def of "long run". If by "long run" you mean a virtual 100% certainty of not being a loser, well 3N0 (9x N0) would give you a 99.865% chance of being at break-even or ahead of the casino. If you want even more 5N0 (25x N0) would give you a 99.99997% chance of being at break-even or ahead. Because certainty of being at break-even requires exponentially larger sample sizes having a low N0 to begin with is essential. 25x 35,000 is a lot longer than 25x 10,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigplayer View Post
    . Because certainty of being at break-even requires exponentially larger sample sizes having a low N0 to begin with is essential. 25x 35,000 is a lot longer than 25x 10,000.
    Exactly
    The best way to have a low N0, is to bet a small fraction of Kelly, so small that resizing down on losses is rare. One wants to bet the same over and over and over..... Table max's force this anyway. Course hard to do that if you go broke.
    Last edited by blackjack avenger; 10-24-2012 at 04:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack avenger View Post
    Exactly
    The best way to have a low N0, is to bet a small fraction of Kelly, so small that resizing down on losses is rare. One wants to bet the same over and over and over..... Table max's force this anyway. Course hard to do that if you go broke.
    Sorry BA,

    It doesn't work that way. The value of N0 depends solely on the game, your count, your unit (ie 1-M) spread and your Wong point.

    What fraction of your ekb (equivalent Kelly Bankroll) you are using to determine your betting unit makes no difference to N0.

    That's just how things work.

    Brett.

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