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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    You keep saying the dumbest things. Not knowing your ROR demonstrates your LACK of skill and understanding of the game.
    I have tried several times to learn ROR in blackjack. Last night I found out that for blackjack ROR is just a very simple table to connect your bank roll to your maximum bet amount. I want to learn everything about it, something that a middle school student can understand. Which book do you recommend? I read some blackjack books three years ago but I forgot about their discussion about ROR. Eventually I did all of the calculations myself.
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    Day 7: I was playing on a table by myself and two guys joined. I now know what other members have said by being able to spot another card counter as soon as they see them. Lol, one guy did not blend in at all wearing some thrift store attire to an upscale casino. Turns out he didn't know how to count, he only followed his friend's lead while making a few basic strategy errors. Anyways this casino is very tolerant and we're playing together for an hour talking about all sorts of things. Then, the dealer brings up the high limit room. I say something like $100 per hand minimum will either be a blessing or a curse and I don't want to find out. This dumbass (the one who doesn't know how to count) turns to me and says "Yeah you would need a $100,000 bankroll to sit at those tables." What a moron. I finished the shoe and left. Returned later and heard they were asked to leave 5 minutes after I left. Since I was sitting at the table earlier I went through a short lived shit test by the detection dealer before being cleared. How oblivious can you be? Boys, for the love of God watch what you say.

    Result 4 hours of play +555. Reduced spread to 1 hand 1-8 for longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craven View Post
    Reduced spread to 1 hand 1-8 for longevity.
    For Upscale casinos, their table limits are $25 min, so you were probably doing 25-200 a hand. That is good enough to beat the game when head up playing. It looks like you are well prepared. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craven View Post
    Lol, one guy did not blend in at all wearing some thrift store attire to an upscale casino.
    Always wonder about this. These days people dress like their going to bed while they’re out in public all the time. Unless you’re sitting in a HL room of the nicest strip casinos, it’s hard to imagine looking like a bum raises any flags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    Which book do you recommend?
    It's been many years since I've read the beginner books. I recall Knockout Blackjack being an excellent place to start. Besides espousing its count system, it discusses bankroll management, ROR, etc. Also, Snyder's books are great starting points. Again, I don't recall which one is best. Maybe someone else can chime in. ROR is not a difficult concept. You just needs Norm's software to spit the numbers out for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    It's been many years since I've read the beginner books. I recall Knockout Blackjack being an excellent place to start. Besides espousing its count system, it discusses bankroll management, ROR, etc. Also, Snyder's books are great starting points. Again, I don't recall which one is best. Maybe someone else can chime in. ROR is not a difficult concept. You just needs Norm's software to spit the numbers out for you.
    Stanford Wong’s books, early ones, are good. When I started, Revere’s book, can’t remember book title or his full name, had the best color charts and were easy to remember though I later found there were minor errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I just am not motivated to learn ROR because I am confident in my skills.
    Seriously?

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    Another reason is that I feel people who know too much about RoR are too reserved and thus are not willing to take risks. I am actually experienced in Los Vegas.
    You seem like a man who already has all the answers, stop fooling yourself. How about you getting a touch of reality for a change and buy Don Schlesinger's Blackjack Attack 3rd Edition and start off reading chapter 8 Risk of Ruin first because you need it now. Since you are already experienced in your mind use Don's book as a reference tool as everything in the vast amount of material is accurate and you can count on it, whenever needed.
    Last edited by BoSox; 01-18-2021 at 07:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrum View Post
    Always wonder about this. These days people dress like their going to bed while they’re out in public all the time. Unless you’re sitting in a HL room of the nicest strip casinos, it’s hard to imagine looking like a bum raises any flags.
    Looking like a bum and buying in for $700 in crisp $100 bills looks odd to me. Idk if that's a norm for Vegas

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    I've played plenty of HL rooms and always dress down. It's a security thing, especially in a place like AC.

    Remember the old days of flying? People used to get dressed up for that, before the airlines started treating their customers like cattle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    I've played plenty of HL rooms and always dress down. It's a security thing, especially in a place like AC.

    Remember the old days of flying? People used to get dressed up for that, before the airlines started treating their customers like cattle.
    It's nice to get a different perspective.

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    Day 8: Even with reduced spread backoffs are quick in Vegas. There are a few decent spots that'll give you a couple hours, but I would not recommend counting here unless you're going to give up a lot in cover. I heard this sentiment before, but I wanted to verify for myself. Result: 4 hours play -895 2 backoffs

    Day 9: Struggling to find play time. Confident I've been fliered. Not even an hour on the tables and 2 backoffs. Would've been 3, but I just bounced cause I don't want to play through neutral/negative shoes to get backed off the second I raise my bet. Before I got my money on the table the phone rang, lady looked at me, called a guy over, and he stared down my action. I colored up and left after one DD shoe. This is my last day in Vegas. Over and out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craven View Post
    Day 8: Even with reduced spread backoffs are quick in Vegas. There are a few decent spots that'll give you a couple hours, but I would not recommend counting here unless you're going to give up a lot in cover. I heard this sentiment before, but I wanted to verify for myself. Result: 4 hours play -895 2 backoffs

    Day 9: Struggling to find play time. Confident I've been fliered. Not even an hour on the tables and 2 backoffs. Would've been 3, but I just bounced cause I don't want to play through neutral/negative shoes to get backed off the second I raise my bet. Before I got my money on the table the phone rang, lady looked at me, called a guy over, and he stared down my action. I colored up and left after one DD shoe. This is my last day in Vegas. Over and out.
    You trip is positive. Good for you. I haven’t made a positive trip in LV yet but I am not worried about that. I am planning to make a trip to Las Vegas but I am not sure about the play conditions there. Are there plexiglass dividers on blackjack tables? How many divisions are there for each table? Do there require ID for admission to casinos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    You trip is positive. Good for you. I haven’t made a positive trip in LV yet but I am not worried about that. I am planning to make a trip to Las Vegas but I am not sure about the play conditions there. Are there plexiglass dividers on blackjack tables? How many divisions are there for each table? Do there require ID for admission to casinos?
    Thanks, it's nice to run moderately well. Most casinos have plexiglass dividers, not all. They have 3-4 seats at each table. No ID requirement to get in.

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