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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    OK, let's not get carried away here with the dazzling "look at what I can do" claims. In most games, index play can double the SCORE of just BS. Deciding NOT to make a traditional index play here and there because of a "more advanced index strategy" simply is not of the same magnitude.

    In any event, as mentioned above, my original premise had nothing to do with index play. Finally, you all may be interested to know that the correct Hi-Lo index for this DD play is not 0; it's -1.

    Don
    Index play is highly valuable, no question! It's great that you share with us some of the process you have to go through before publishing your numbers which I would never question. Without talking about "dazzling" deviations and certainly not boasting about them, it's always a most interesting challenge to take the right decision on close plays when your awareness level tends to lead you opposite from the automatic index play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secretariat View Post
    Without talking about "dazzling" deviations and certainly not boasting about them, it's always a most interesting challenge to take the right decision on close plays when your awareness level tends to lead you opposite from the automatic index play.
    Yes, I have no doubt that there's an intellectual satisfaction to it, and I'm fine with that. But I just want you to understand that the cumulative value of making these plays tends to get overrated and definitely overvalued.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Yes, I have no doubt that there's an intellectual satisfaction to it, and I'm fine with that. But I just want you to understand that the cumulative value of making these plays tends to get overrated and definitely overvalued.

    Don
    Understood! Just one question about insurance the top I18 play. How would you value the gain of perfect insurance (taking insurance every time at 33.3%+ non tens in the deck) vs index insurance at DD and 6D 75% pen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secretariat View Post
    Understood! Just one question about insurance the top I18 play. How would you value the gain of perfect insurance (taking insurance every time at 33.3%+ non tens in the deck) vs index insurance at DD and 6D 75% pen?
    Correction Don. Perfect insurance is at 33.3% tens in the deck. (I wrote non tens).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    So, SCORE increase of maybe $2 per hour. Not bad, mind you, on a percentage basis.

    Don

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    Good reminder to never forget Cover and that everything is better in color, except maybe Hitchcock movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    So, SCORE increase of maybe $2 per hour. Not bad, mind you, on a percentage basis.

    Don
    I take that. We're talking serious hot dogs, now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secretariat View Post
    I take that. We're talking serious hot dogs, now!
    Yeah, but their price has gone up considerably since I wrote that back in 1986! (Wow! It's been 35 years. Happy Birthday, I18!) For you newcomers, see BJA3, p. 56, end of first paragraph.

    Don

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    Don/Gronbog,

    Did your study take into account the results of using NHC with different Hole Card rules such as BB+1, OBBO and ENHC or just HC with OBO?
    Last edited by davethebuilder; 10-14-2021 at 04:45 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    I no longer subscribe to CBJN, so can't verify. I recall Aria and Bellagio having S17 DD until about 5 years ago. Given the deterioration in conditions, I'd be surprised if any S17 DD games still exist in Vegas.

    Fine Tuner posted a list of DD games in this thread on BJ21: https://bj21.com/boards/green-chip-f...?page=1#unread

    None of them are S17, but those don't include HL games.

    As of about a year ago in Vegas, you could find the following DD games with S17 and min bet at:
    Bellagio $100
    M Resort $50
    MGM $300
    Mirage $100
    Palazzo $200
    Rio $100
    Treasure Island $25 (!)
    Venetian $200
    G Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethebuilder View Post
    Don/Gronbog,

    Did your study take into account the results of using NHC with different Hole Card rules such as BB+1, OBBO and ENHC or just HC with OBO?
    The study is ongoing. As you might guess, we're looking at DD HC games right now. I can't imagine not looking at ENHC at some point. Without making any promises, which of the above would you be most interested in?

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    Good to know Gman. Thanks.

    Re TI, if you make it past one shuffle, moving your money with the count, you're the exception to their rule :-)

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