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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    what!
    Playing the first part of the shoe heads up only to play a full table once the count gets good is a worst case scenario. You eat all the many negative EV rounds, by yourself, that make the count go up and then get to play very few plus EV rounds as your reward. Like I said a worst case scenario that should be avoided when it is predictable. At certain places and times this is very predictable to almost certainly happen. You are better off just not playing. Trust your scouting.

    It is called controlling a table. Some teams won't let you join unless you can demonstrate this skill, because it is probably the most important and profitable AP skill. If you are good at it you can get most of the people to leave when you want them to leave or play longer when you want them to. You can get most people to wait for the shuffle or not depending on what you want. You can get a lot of ploppies to avoid your table altogether or lammer up spots until you tell them to play. You can even get dealers to cut deeper. The fact that you don't understand how important this skill is while apparently not possessing the skill shows you limit your advantage to just what a computer can get. Playing in a casino is totally different than a sim or playing on a computer. When you learn how to get extra EV from this difference then you will have taken a giant leap forward in getting the money more efficiently.

    Yes. A very successful team. I have been doing it for years. No offense, but just because what we do is over your head and beyond your abilities doesn't mean it isn't extremely effective. You have to understand we gather more information and use it differently than you do. The difference in the way we use information really tightens up the bell curves around decisions. That means lower risk (or higher bets at the same risk) and/or more EV and/or more certain BR growth. We get all three but primarily target the latter quite successfully.
    what! is not a response from one so long winded...how do you play more and lose MORE and miss the best playing opportunities???

    based on your long winded responses that amount to nothing but blab....my big toe is more articulate...here's "an idea, when you have a story make a point, it makes it so much more interesting to the listener"
    ~Steve Martin, Planes, Trains, & Automobiles

    I can just imagine you "controlling a table"....LMFAO...when everyone has a noose around their necks and start pulling them tight...PLEASE STOP!!!!!
    Last edited by Sharky; 10-31-2018 at 06:08 PM. Reason: edit: stupid comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    ...Playing the first part of the shoe heads up only to play a full table once the count gets good is a worst case scenario.....
    only the first round I play, heads up or not, is -ev, dummy...ow, I am free to come and go as I please...can't understand for the life of me how you know the count will "go up later"...several times shoe was positive early and then tanked...LEAVE!!!@#!#@!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    At the end of lunch, we flip a coin, and the loser buys.
    You did not say who owns or usually flips the coin. To avoid that issue, your friend should suggest changing the method of determining who pays. I have always been partial to Credit Card Roulette. I once went on a run similar to yours, and my friends thought I was paying off the waiters & waitresses ahead of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJPloppy View Post
    You did not say who owns or usually flips the coin. To avoid that issue, your friend should suggest changing the method of determining who pays. I have always been partial to Credit Card Roulette. I once went on a run similar to yours, and my friends thought I was paying off the waiters & waitresses ahead of time.
    The coin is his. The flip is his. The bill is his.

    So let it be written - so let it be done

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    He's a tax evader, and doesn't pay taxes on his BJ winnings. The shoebox is his Swiss bank account.
    If I was a tax evader, I would not put my results on this forum. There is a person here who is a huge snitch, contacted forum administrators to get me banned because of a post I made on a non BJ forum. He hates me, begs people to ignore my posts, calls me a troll, tries to humiliate me on every post I make, simply is obsessed with me. You think he would not snitch on me to the IRS?

    For those who do not know, I started with a $15k bankroll that I kept in a shoebox some 5 years ago. Despite a few idiots calling my initial successes as just variance, telling everyone on this forum that I dont know anything about BJ, 4 years later, the bankroll is $75k with another $8-9k in my car for BJ trips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    what! is not a response from one so long winded...how do you play more and lose MORE and miss the best playing opportunities???
    Man you don't get humor. You said say what. So I said what.

    You can't find a great situation when you are bogged down playing a crappy one. If you don't get that I don't know what to say. You just have a lot to learn. I know when and where to be to get my 3 to 5 hours in at a quality table. Most of the rest of the day isn't worth my time. I take a pay cut to 25% of my normal pay. You expose yourself for hours for little gain. The Floormen don't want you around when customers are waiting to get into the game. But when tables are empty they want you there to encourage others to play and justify having the tables open. My interests are similar. Not hard to figure out. Get in get out and be appreciated by the suits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    only the first round I play, heads up or not, is -ev, dummy...ow, I am free to come and go as I please...can't understand for the life of me how you know the count will "go up later"...several times shoe was positive early and then tanked...LEAVE!!!@#!#@!
    Wow. I described a worst case scenario and the you say I am wrong by describing an entirely different scenario. The point wasn't that the shoe would go positive at what time. The point was you know that once it goes positive you will not get the hands that you paid your dues to get. Rounds that raise the count are disadvantage rounds no matter what the count was before they were dealt. For the count to get high when you are playing heads up you had to play a lot of disadvantage rounds. You may even have been betting big in anticipation of advantage rounds but if the count continued to rise you actually played disadvantage rounds. The point was you ate those disadvantage rounds that made the count high and the ploppies that dropped in on your high count ate most of the advantage rounds you paid your dues for. When scouting says this is going to happen you pay a big tax for a small return. I can tell you will never understand how to maximize quality hours while minimizing exposure. You have a lot to learn. Casinos have rhythms and their patrons have rhythms and patterns. Learn these for each casino you play and you might get the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    ...The point was you know that once it goes positive you will not get the hands that you paid your dues to get. ....

    +ev is +ev...if you don't like it...leave...or here's an even better idea: get off of your red chipping and try to find a NMSE $25 min...usually can find...or, perhaps, try HL rooms where they usually have them, or will accommodate

    good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    +ev is +ev...if you don't like it...leave...or here's an even better idea: get off of your red chipping and try to find a NMSE $25 min...usually can find...or, perhaps, try HL rooms where they usually have them, or will accommodate

    good luck
    I don't think T3 is a red chipper. He is the LeBron James of BJ. Like LeBron can play multiple positions, T3 can play multiple ccounts, track multiple cards, maintain many many bins (2-6, 7-9, etc), use many techniques, take casino in many ways, not just BJ. He is legend, has befuddled and demolished some top AP 's from this forum. While he does not play any of the counts used by all other forum members, he can advise everyone on the game and I am not being sarcastic. He amazes me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    get off of your red chipping and try to find a NMSE $25 min...usually can find...or, perhaps, try HL rooms where they usually have them, or will accommodate
    Hahahha. I love it when people blow their credibility by making comments they have no way of knowing the truth about to attack the poster rather than the post. It is the tactic of a desperate poster that has to make stuff up rather than back up what he says with facts. This is because they have no facts to back themselves up. I haven't red chipped in years. Most of the time you aren't even allowed to bet anything less than green even if you wanted to.

    You miss the point. Back counting is so effective because you don't play any negative counts. When you set yourself up to have the highest ratio of disadvantage bet hands to advantage bet hands you are just setting yourself up to both waste time and lose money. It is one of the most basic AP concepts and you just never got it. Good luck wasting lots and lots of hours chasing a tiny EV. I will be hitting better opportunities until the time and/or conditions are ripe to get in and out while getting a lot of rounds in and get lots of advantage bets when it happens. These one trick ponies make me laugh. They think the only EV in the casino is at a BJ table counting cards. BJ is one of the worst opportunities in the casino. But when you hit it right you can stack the odds in your favor. Hit it wrong and it is a big waste of time and the EV you give up sitting at a BJ table that is crawling along generating almost no EV is staggering. Playing is exposure. You will only get so much time at each casino before you get the tap. Some people will get a lot more than others because they are better at the art of BJ rather than worrying about getting every last bit of EV. Make the most of the time you have. Don't be short sighted like Sharky apparently is. Get in as many rounds as you can before you get the tap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    If I was a tax evader, I would not put my results on this forum.
    "It's just like taxes being taken out of a desk job. It's either pay your taxes or commit a crime, take your pick." Committing a crime is neither a sin nor immoral. I do go over the speed limit from time to time and that is a violation of a DMV regulation just as not declaring your gambling income is a violation of IRS regulations. heck, when I was ordered to fire on the folks in a village overseas, I just shot above them or below them. My conscience is my guide in all situations.

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...l=1#post157365

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatian View Post
    Currently I'm only getting 30-40 hours a week on average. Trying to up it to 80 hours. That's a little over 10 hours a day. Bought a stopwatch to help with this........
    Be concerned of diminishing returns. 80 hours per week is wAy to much. Your mental acuity will drop, which means your hourly will drop, and variance will increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    "It's just like taxes being taken out of a desk job. It's either pay your taxes or commit a crime, take your pick." Committing a crime is neither a sin nor immoral. I do go over the speed limit from time to time and that is a violation of a DMV regulation just as not declaring your gambling income is a violation of IRS regulations. heck, when I was ordered to fire on the folks in a village overseas, I just shot above them or below them. My conscience is my guide in all situations.
    I wonder where your conscience is when you get on a forum simply to attack or ridicule a poster, where you neither offer encouragement nor advice. When a person matures sufficiently, he stops conning himself.

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