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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    I don’t know who Gman is, but Don’s endorsement makes him instantly credible.
    For those of you who may speak or understrand French, you can learn more about Monsieur G here:

    Bonjour,



    Je suis un joueur de Blackjack de niveau professionnel résidant au Canada. J'ai joué avec le groupe du M.I.T en 2001-2002 dans ce qu'il serait convenu d'appeler une deuxième génération de l'équipe telle que montrée (et fortement romancée) dans le film Hollywoodien « 21 ». Lors des années qui ont suivi, j'ai aussi fait partie d'une autre équipe de premier plan dont je voudrais taire le nom puisque celle-ci ne fut jamais identifiée par les casinos. Mes expériences de jeu dans plus de 175 casinos du monde, m'ont permis de développer et de mettre en pratique des méthodes de jeu efficaces et diverses. Je possède donc une connaissance très étendue du Blackjack et des toutes les formes d'avantages qu'il peut procurer.

    Je fais partie d'un très petit groupe de gens que les casinos nomment « Advantage Players ». Ce terme désigne la minorité de professionnels étant capable de retourner l'avantage du casino en leur faveur. Ce dont il est question ici, c'est de l'utilisation d'une méthode de comptage des cartes servant à identifier les situations de mise favorables au joueur pour le jeu de Blackjack, connu aussi sous le nom de « 21 ». Cette méthode tout à fait légale fonctionne irréfutablement. La preuve, les casinos dépensent des millions de dollars chaque année pour identifier ce type de joueur et leur restreindre l'accès aux tables de jeu.

    Certains d'entre vous m'ont probablement connu alors que j'animais le Forum de Monsieur G à une autre adresse et dans un format semblable. Bien que cette première expérience fût des plus plaisantes, il vient un temps où l'on préfère voler de ses propres ailes. Remerciements à Jack Black! J'ai aussi, en Pierrot, un extraordinaire collaborateur et allié dans cette tâche qui nous attend, c'est-à-dire de faire de ce site, le point de rencontre de tous les joueurs francophones de Blackjack. Un vrai « Square » du Blackjack ! Pierrot est un homme intègre et d'un grand professionnalisme, vous le remarquerez dans sa présentation.


    His French website, blackjack-square.com, is one of the premier sites in any language on the subject, and it contains thousands upon thousands of knowledgeable and inciteful posts. Gman is a former member of the MIT teams, and is one of the most knowledgeable players I know.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Freightman, if I’m doing my sims wrong for 6:5 than I’m doing them wrong for DD 3:2. All I know is I’m comparing apples with apples. I’ve also run my 6:5 game past other APs and they have run some sims on my game and got the same SCORE as I’ve got. Who knows they might be doing their sims wrong too. We all use Norm’s products.

    I’ve been playing 6:5 games for the past three years and my results have been very good. I know this is the short term and I haven’t played enough to get in the long run. Yes, I’m a low level player so maybe this game works for me and it won’t work for a high stakes player. On my 6:5 games, I can spread easily 1 to 20 with no heat. Sometimes my spread is much more.

    Please read your early post on this thread. You also said you believed 6:5 could be a good game under the right conditions. Why have you back peddled? Is it because you have no backbone? I’m starting to question if you have any convictions on anything. You just say whatever you think will make you popular.
    Of course, as per usual, you twist the context to suit your current comments - lathered in stupidity.

    1-20 spread, who cares. You’re still going for a ride. Your sim is wrong, as is whomever you’re running this by - their sims are wrong too. As for my comments on post 10 - naturally, you missed the boat there as well. I said 6:5 can be beat, GIVEN CERTAIN CONDITIONS. Further, I said that SCORE was in the toilet, commenting further that I wouldn’t want to try to exploit that game to make a living.

    Mr. Contrary reappears.

  3. #55


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Zee
    Kindly instruct your protege on the evils of 6:5.
    Frieghtman, you need to take your own advice. Here’s a direct quote from you on post #10. “6:5 can be beaten given certain conditions.”. There was no mention about the “evils of 6:5”.

    Don makes a post against 6:5 and immediately you’re on the other side. It almost like you forget you defended the 6:5 crowd. I repeat, what do you believe? Or do you just put your finger in the air and see what direction the wind is blowing and then get you beliefs in line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Frieghtman, you need to take your own advice. Here’s a direct quote from you on post #10. “6:5 can be beaten given certain conditions.”. There was no mention about the “evils of 6:5”.

    Don makes a post against 6:5 and immediately you’re on the other side. It almost like you forget you defended the 6:5 crowd. I repeat, what do you believe? Or do you just put your finger in the air and see what direction the wind is blowing and then get you beliefs in line?
    Squiggle and squirm all you like, but only an idiot, or a dipshit, could or would construe my comments as being an endorsement of 6:5. Which one are you, or are you both?

    I trust my comments clarify my position on the matter.

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    I can spread easily 1 to 20 with no heat. Sometimes my spread is much more.
    Of course we can understand that, but do you realize this isn't the norm?
    Unless you can tell us that you can do this on a regular basis in many casinos, we will have to look at this exemple as a exception, no?

    Playing a 6 deck game with poor rules cut 3/6 and finding a 100% flasher doesn't make this "6 deck game" universally good!
    We could have something that says "6 deck game with poor rules cut 3/6" are only played by civilians.
    The fact that 6:5 BJ is played by idiots is base on the following: If you're a civilian that doesn't count card, why in the world are you accepting $12 on a $10 BJ when on the next table you can get $15? Answer: You're a dum dum! Like those roulette players playing the double zero table when 10 feet away stand a single zero empty table.

    And I would add, good for those who "found something"... but please take into account all the 6:5 BJ also offered on 6 deck games!
    Last edited by G Man; 08-09-2018 at 05:14 PM.
    G Man

  6. #58


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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    For those of you who may speak or understrand French, you can learn more about Monsieur G here:

    Bonjour,



    Je suis un joueur de Blackjack de niveau professionnel résidant au Canada. J'ai joué avec le groupe du M.I.T en 2001-2002 dans ce qu'il serait convenu d'appeler une deuxième génération de l'équipe telle que montrée (et fortement romancée) dans le film Hollywoodien « 21 ». Lors des années qui ont suivi, j'ai aussi fait partie d'une autre équipe de premier plan dont je voudrais taire le nom puisque celle-ci ne fut jamais identifiée par les casinos. Mes expériences de jeu dans plus de 175 casinos du monde, m'ont permis de développer et de mettre en pratique des méthodes de jeu efficaces et diverses. Je possède donc une connaissance très étendue du Blackjack et des toutes les formes d'avantages qu'il peut procurer.

    Je fais partie d'un très petit groupe de gens que les casinos nomment « Advantage Players ». Ce terme désigne la minorité de professionnels étant capable de retourner l'avantage du casino en leur faveur. Ce dont il est question ici, c'est de l'utilisation d'une méthode de comptage des cartes servant à identifier les situations de mise favorables au joueur pour le jeu de Blackjack, connu aussi sous le nom de « 21 ». Cette méthode tout à fait légale fonctionne irréfutablement. La preuve, les casinos dépensent des millions de dollars chaque année pour identifier ce type de joueur et leur restreindre l'accès aux tables de jeu.

    Certains d'entre vous m'ont probablement connu alors que j'animais le Forum de Monsieur G à une autre adresse et dans un format semblable. Bien que cette première expérience fût des plus plaisantes, il vient un temps où l'on préfère voler de ses propres ailes. Remerciements à Jack Black! J'ai aussi, en Pierrot, un extraordinaire collaborateur et allié dans cette tâche qui nous attend, c'est-à-dire de faire de ce site, le point de rencontre de tous les joueurs francophones de Blackjack. Un vrai « Square » du Blackjack ! Pierrot est un homme intègre et d'un grand professionnalisme, vous le remarquerez dans sa présentation.


    His French website, blackjack-square.com, is one of the premier sites in any language on the subject, and it contains thousands upon thousands of knowledgeable and inciteful posts. Gman is a former member of the MIT teams, and is one of the most knowledgeable players I know.

    Don
    Impressive. From google translate

    I am a professional level blackjack player residing in Canada. I played with the group of the M.I.T in 2001-2002 in what would be called a second generation of the team as shown (and strongly fictionalized) in the Hollywood movie "21". In the years that followed, I was also part of another leading team whose name I would not mention because it was never identified by the casinos. My gambling experiences in over 175 casinos around the world have allowed me to develop and practice effective and diverse gaming methods. I therefore have a very wide knowledge of blackjack and all the forms of benefits it can provide.
    I'm part of a very small group of people that casinos call Advantage Players. This term refers to the minority of professionals being able to return the casino advantage in their favor. What we are talking about here is the use of a card counting method to identify player-friendly betting situations for the Blackjack game, also known as "21". This completely legal method works irrefutably. The proof is that casinos spend millions of dollars every year to identify this type of player and restrict their access to gaming tables.
    Some of you probably knew me while I was animating Mr. G's Forum at another address and in a similar format. Although this first experience was very pleasant, there comes a time when one prefers to fly on one's own. Thanks to Jack Black! I also, in Pierrot, an extraordinary collaborator and ally in this task that awaits us, that is to say, to make this site, the meeting point of all players French-speaking Blackjack. A true "Square" of Blackjack! Pierrot is a man of integrity and professionalism, you will notice in his presentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Of course, as per usual, you twist the context to suit your current comments - lathered in stupidity.

    1-20 spread, who cares. You’re still going for a ride. Your sim is wrong, as is whomever you’re running this by - their sims are wrong too. As for my comments on post 10 - naturally, you missed the boat there as well. I said 6:5 can be beat, GIVEN CERTAIN CONDITIONS. Further, I said that SCORE was in the toilet, commenting further that I wouldn’t want to try to exploit that game to make a living.

    Mr. Contrary reappears.
    I failed to mention, though self explanatory, that the variance on that game, is specially on a shoestring bankroll, will demolish you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Of course, as per usual, you twist the context to suit your current comments - lathered in stupidity.

    1-20 spread, who cares. You’re still going for a ride. Your sim is wrong, as is whomever you’re running this by - their sims are wrong too. As for my comments on post 10 - naturally, you missed the boat there as well. I said 6:5 can be beat, GIVEN CERTAIN CONDITIONS. Further, I said that SCORE was in the toilet, commenting further that I wouldn’t want to try to exploit that game to make a living.

    Mr. Contrary reappears.
    Freightman, you’re missing my bigger point. All I ever hear is the AP community is so small it won’t have any impact on casino’s loses to APs. If this is the case, which I believe is true, then APs also won't have any impact on convincing ploppies to stop playing 6:5.

    I don't like 6:5. I’d rather all games be 3:2, S17 and other favorable rules with deep pen. I’m also a realist, meaning I don’t think I can have much impact on the games casinos give us. If the rules become so bad I can’t beat the game, I will quite playing it. As long as I have an edge, even with 6:5, I’ll keep playing.

    That’s my opinion. I understand it might not be yours or somebody else’s. I’m open to your opinion, and I’m okay if you are not open to mine. You have that right. I actually feel sorry for you because you have a hard time even hearing ideas that are contrary to yours.

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    Don said
    “For those of you who may speak or understrand French, you can learn more about Monsieur G here:”

    Don, what does understrand mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Freightman, you’re missing my bigger point. All I ever hear is the AP community is so small it won’t have any impact on casino’s loses to APs. If this is the case, which I believe is true, then APs also won't have any impact on convincing ploppies to stop playing 6:5.

    I don't like 6:5. I’d rather all games be 3:2, S17 and other favorable rules with deep pen. I’m also a realist, meaning I don’t think I can have much impact on the games casinos give us. If the rules become so bad I can’t beat the game, I will quite playing it. As long as I have an edge, even with 6:5, I’ll keep playing.

    That’s my opinion. I understand it might not be yours or somebody else’s. I’m open to your opinion, and I’m okay if you are not open to mine. You have that right. I actually feel sorry for you because you have a hard time even hearing ideas that are contrary to yours.
    Everyone always misses your bigger point. Personally, I don’t give a shit about your bigger point. Doubt many do.

    I’m always open to counter proposed intelligent opinion. Your commentary does not qualify. It is designed solely to obfuscate.

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    Instead of us against us, it should be us against them
    G Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    Instead of us against us, it should be us against them
    Of course you’re right - in general terms. I do, however, owe him a “few”, and he so nicely stepped in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    Of course we can understand that, but do you realize this isn't the norm?
    Unless you can tell us that you can do this on a regular basis in many casinos, we will have to look at this exemple as a exception, no?

    Playing a 6 deck game with poor rules cut 3/6 and finding a 100% flasher doesn't make this "6 deck game" universally good!
    We could have something that says "6 deck game with poor rules cut 3/6" are only played by civilians.
    The fact that 6:5 BJ is played by idiots is base on the following: If you're a civilian that doesn't count card, why in the world are you accepting $12 on a $10 BJ when on the next table you can get $15? Answer: You're a dum dum! Like those roulette players playing the double zero table when 10 feet away stand a single zero empty table.

    And I would add, good for those who "found something"... but please take into account all the 6:5 BJ also offered on 6 deck games!
    Gman, I agree with everything you’re saying. I don’t like 6:5. I just don’t know if there is anything much we can do about it.

    I did have a funny experience when I played at a new casino about 6 months ago. I was backcounting a table and when the count was good I got in and got a bj a couple hands later and got paid 6:5. This surprised me since I didn't even know this casino had 6:5. It was in Louisiana where I didn’t think 6:5 had penetrated. I then walked around the casino and learned about half the tables were 6:5 and the other half were 3:2 and the rules were the same on these tables with the same $10 min. I think the side bets might have been different. I went to a pit boss and asked him why they did this? He didn’t know. I then asked him why would anybody play a 6:5 table when a 3:2 table was right next to it with the same min. He couldn’t answer this question either.

    I then spent about about an hour just watching ploppies play at these tables and it didn’t seem like they cared if they were on the 6:5 or 3:2 table. The 6:5 tables were as crowded as the 3:2 tables. It was hard to believe. This still has me confused but it made me see how little ploppies care about this. I still don’t know why this casino had both tables unless this was some type of test to see if ploppies would play 6:5. If this was a test, then the answer is yes they will play 6:5. They don’t care what they play.

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