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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    What you say make a little sense I could understand why the New England Patriots (from your opinion) would be a Superbowl favorite again for Superbowl 53. But not the Philadelphia Eagles because they didn't win or proof that they can win 2 Superbowls in a row yet and they are the second favorite after the Patriots??
    The other side of the coin is they set lines to sucker people in while their emotions are high. The books want the highest edge they can get. These kinds of bets are made all the off season. Lines will adjust to how the betting is going. So basically the other side of the equation is the books trying to get an edge by playing on the high emotions after the SB. The odds the set aren't set to be accurate. They are set to maximize their profits and minimize their risk, The latter they want to balance the action on both sides so they win no matter who wins. The former to get the squares to make bad bets. You shouldn't think the odds or point spread is what they think will give them the action they want.

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    Vice President of Officiating for the National Football League, Mike Pereira, said the Eagles were lined up in an illegal formation in Superbowl 52. The NFL has clarify that the Eagles' trick play that were lined up in an illegal formation was viewed as a "judgement call". However, the formation was lined up wrong. They can't take that play back now.

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mike-pereira-eagles-were-illegal-212901147.html

    http://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/12/mike-pereira-nick-foles-td-catch-in-super-bowl-was-an-illegal-play/amp/
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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    Vice President of Officiating for the National Football League, Mike Pereira, said the Eagles were lined up in an illegal formation in Superbowl 52. The NFL has clarify that the Eagles' trick play that were lined up in an illegal formation was viewed as a "judgement call". However, the formation was lined up wrong. They can't take that play back now.

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mike-pereira-eagles-were-illegal-212901147.html

    http://patriotswire.usatoday.com/201...egal-play/amp/
    They cannot take it back, but how about 4 game suspensions for everyone involved next season?

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    The list of calls that should have been made is extensive. More than half of the penalties that should have been called were against the Patriots. In the big picture I don't think they have anything to complain about. Almost every SB ring the Patriots got in the Brady era should have an asterisk next to it because the Patriots got there by cheating during the season and/or post season. The Eagles didn't cheat. The refs made a judgement call that the cry babies want to make a big deal about. Revoke the SB wins in years tainted by cheating scandals and then the cry babies have something to complain about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    The list of calls that should have been made is extensive. More than half of the penalties that should have been called were against the Patriots. In the big picture I don't think they have anything to complain about. Almost every SB ring the Patriots got in the Brady era should have an asterisk next to it because the Patriots got there by cheating during the season and/or post season. The Eagles didn't cheat. The refs made a judgement call that the cry babies want to make a big deal about. Revoke the SB wins in years tainted by cheating scandals and then the cry babies have something to complain about.
    Cheating??? What is considered cheating and why is it consider cheating? Recording plays? Taking advantage of rules like the "tuck rule" is not consider cheating. Recording other teams' play during practice is not consider cheating because it is not illegal. There is no rule saying they can't do that. What it say is that you can't film from certain locations. But filming your opponent's signal is allowed by the league. If there is something wrong you have to say something regardless of being a cry baby or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    What is considered cheating and why is it considering?
    There is a rule book independent of playing on the field. When you break the rules you are cheating and getting an unfair advantage over every other team. They have a history of cheating that goes way back to when Brady was an infant. I will just touch on the Brady era times where they actually got caught cheating. No doubt with a pattern of constant cheating they cheated a lot more often than just when they got caught. 2002-2007 spy gate where the patriots were illegally filming their opponents. Three tainted SB rings there, 2002, 2004, and 2005. After the 2002 SB Marshall Falk felt the Patriots obvious preparation for plays they had never run, having an audible for them, indicated they were cheating for that game. The plays that would have won the SB for the Rams were ineffective because of this unfair advantage. Spygate investigation showed they cheated from 2002-2007.

    After Brady petitioned the NFL to change the rules so each team would provide their own footballs for their team to use in 2006, the Patriots' fumble stats immediately went from in the bell curve to such big outliers to the league fumble bell curve that statisticians said that it was mathematically impossible. In 2015 they got caught deflating the footballs after most defensive players that touched their footballs (interception or fumble recovery) said they were ridiculously under inflated. The ridiculous outlier of the Patriots fumble stats (something like over 6 SDs if I remember right) clearly show they petitioned the league to change the rule to use lower pressure in footballs than the rule allowed. They decided they didn't care about what the rule said and used the inflation that they felt gave them the biggest advantage even though it was a violation of the rule. They turned in properly inflated footballs and deflated them after they were inspected. Clearly they knew they were cheating. The taints any SB wins from 2007 to 2015. They only SB ring they got in that time was they year they got caught, 2015. So out of 5 SB rings the Patriots won during the Brady era only one wasn't tainted by cheating that they actually got caught doing. Most likely a team that systematically cheats also cheated the year they didn't get caught and won the SB but we give them the benefit of doubt.

    This raises the question, Are the Patriots that good at the cap dance or are they that good at getting away with constant cheating? I mean cheating every season from 2002 through 2015, often with multiple cheating going on simultaneously, have we ever seen Brady play a season where the Patriots weren't cheating in every game or at least most games and key games?

    Note: There were a lot more cheating scandals during this time that I didn't list because the 2 I listed were enough to show the Patriots first 4 of the 5 SB rings won in the Brady era were tainted. Trying to keep my posts brief. If I listed every cheating scandal during the Brady era it might be one of the longest posts I ever made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    2002-2007 spy gate where the patriots were illegally filming their opponents. Three tainted SB rings there, 2002, 2004, and 2005. After the 2002 SB Marshall Falk felt the Patriots obvious preparation for plays they had never run, having an audible for them, indicated they were cheating for that game. The plays that would have won the SB for the Rams were ineffective because of this unfair advantage. Spygate investigation showed they cheated from 2002-2007.
    For the second time, filming your opponent's signals is allowed. What is illegal is filming it from a prohibited location. It even said it in wikipedia.

    http://yourteamcheats.com/what-is-spygate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_N...ng_controversy
    http://yourteamcheats.com/what-is-deflategate
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    The thing I always wondered about is Brady's low to middling salary. Are they paying him in some other way?

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    Wikipedia can be modified by anyone. It really isn't the most reliable source of info. But given you chose to use it here is all you need to know from the wiki read:

    "Nearly nine months after the incident, the Boston Herald reported, citing an unnamed source, that the Patriots had also videotaped the St. Louis Rams' walkthrough practice prior to Super Bowl XXXVI in February 2002,[8] an allegation denied by Belichick[7] and later retracted by the Herald. Meanwhile, Matt Walsh, a Patriots video assistant in 2001 who was fired after the team's 2002 season, told the media the same week that he had information and materials regarding the Patriots' videotaping practices, but demanded an indemnity agreement before speaking with the NFL.[9] The NFL reached a deal with Walsh on April 23, 2008, and arranged a meeting between Goodell and Walsh.[10] Prior to the meeting, Walsh sent eight videotapes, containing opponents' coaches' signals from the 2000 through 2002 seasons, in accordance with the agreement.[11] Goodell and Walsh met on May 13, 2008, at which time Walsh told Goodell he and other Patriots employees were present at the Rams' walkthrough to set up video equipment for the game but that there was no tape of the walkthrough made; as a result, Goodell told the media no additional penalties would be brought against the Patriots.[12] Less than 24 hours later, the Herald issued an apology for the article about the alleged walkthrough tape.[13]"

    So they get caught in 2002. They fire a guy to play the scapegoat. Apparently they can't pay him enough to stay quiet. He blabs and turns over 3 years of tapes of the Patriots illegally taping opponents practices. They are still illegally taping in 2005 as was pointed out by another investigation. So how do you not see this is illegal? Are you a diehard patriot fan with ridiculous biases?

    As for the deflated football pressures. ThePatriots had a ball boy with the nickname the deflator. It was not a nickname given outside the Patriot organization. The league did everything they could to reproduce the environment the footballs were tested in before the game and what they were exposed to during the game and the pressures never reduced to the levels the league found in the Patriot balls. They tested dozens of footballs. To try to deny that the Patriots deflated footballs whenever they could after THEIR QUARTERBACK petitioned the league to make the rule change that allowed the cheating to occur clearly indicates you are wearing Patriot colored lenses to look at any evidence you see. You ignore all the opponents defensive players that intercepted passes in all kinds of weather, hot to cold, about how ridiculously under inflated the Patriots footballs were. You ignore the results of a 3 month investigation of the exact conditions the balls in question went through in favor of experiments that were performed in someones home that reduced the balls temperature by more than twice the reduction in temperature the balls in question came under in order to get the same loss of pressure from the minimum legal inflation. As for the science of the PV = nRT equation we are all familiar with volume also decreases so you can't keep it a constant. All those uses the equation to disprove the investigation keep volume a constant. Those that see the equations prove the investigation is right measure the change in volume of the football after the temperature changes and factor that into the equation, which would make the change in pressure due to temperature change much less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    Wikipedia can be modified by anyone. It really isn't the most reliable source of info. But given you chose to use it here is all you need to know from the wiki read:
    Correct, Wikipedia can be modified by anyone but there are footnotes and sources that back up those statements in the article that I posted the link to. Beside wikipedia I also provide yourteamcheats.com as my source, too. What do you mean by illegally taping because I already shown that taping the other team's signal are not illegal providing sources to back that up. No, I am not a diehard Patriots fan. I like the Patriots and Tom Brady because of their "achievements and accomplishments". Also, "Less than 24 hours later, the Herald issued an apology for the article about the alleged walkthrough tape.[13]"

    http://yourteamcheats.com/what-is-spygate

    I am not a fan of Doug Pederson because I am not a guy who is foolish and harmlessly eccentric like him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    However, what do you mean by illegally taping because I already shown that taping the other team's signal are not illegal providing sources to back that up.
    The real scandal was them secretly taping other teams practices not their signals on the sidelines. I put that in bold print in my previous post as well but you still didn't pick it up. That scandal spanned years. It is never legal to tape other teams practices without their permission. Max fines were given because of the long history of violation and attempted cover up and lack of cooperation with the investigation.

    Some quick cut and pastes from the investigations into Patriot scandals:

    The Patriots didn't spy only on the St. Louis Rams before their Super Bowl matchup XXXVI, and the Jets. ESPN alleges that the Patriots videotaped opposing coaches in a whopping 40 games.

    * There's this paragraph that has some even more damning information:

    "In fact, many former New England coaches and employees insist that the taping of signals wasn't even the most effective cheating method the Patriots deployed in that era. Several of them acknowledge that during pregame warm-ups, a low-level Patriots employee would sneak into the visiting locker room and steal the play sheet, listing the first 20 or so scripted calls for the opposing team's offense. (The practice became so notorious that some coaches put out fake play sheets for the Patriots to swipe.) Numerous former employees say the Patriots would have someone rummage through the visiting team hotel for playbooks or scouting reports. Walsh later told investigators that he was once instructed to remove the labels and erase tapes of a Patriots practice because the team had illegally used a player on injured reserve. At Gillette Stadium, the scrambling and jamming of the opponents' coach-to-quarterback radio line ... occurred so often that one team asked a league official to sit in the coaches' box during the game and wait for it to happen. Sure enough, on a key third down, the headset went out."

    How, exactly, was Patriots employee Matt Estrella caught by the NFL? Thanks to Jets head coach Eric Mangini, during a 2007 game against the Patriots, Estrella was watched by Jets security while he "held a camera and wore a polo shirt with a taped-over Patriots logo under a red media vest that said: NFL PHOTOGRAPHER 138." When the NFL was told about what Estrella was doing, he was busted and taken away, his tape confiscated and sent to NFL headquarters.


    Now the Patriots maintain they thought taping the signals was legal. Does disguising a Patriot employee with a polo shirt covered by a NFL media vest that said "NFL PHOTOGRAPHER 138" on it in order to make the tapes sound like they thought taping the signals was legal? If you think so you are not only not objective but have an extreme Patriot bias. The Patriots knew they had systematically broke the league rules for years and didn't man up when confronted about it. Later it was revealed that they were hit so hard in future investigations because of this repeated pattern of knowingly cheating. The NFL wanted to send a signal that cheating won't be tolerated. I suspect the next cheating scandal will be met with losing a number of years of number one draft picks as well as max fines.
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    The real scandal was them secretly taping other teams practices not their signals on the sidelines. I put that in bold print in my previous post as well but you still didn't pick it up. That scandal spanned years. It is never legal to tape other teams practices without their permission. Max fines were given because of the long history of violation and attempted cover up and lack of cooperation with the investigation.
    You were referring to Spygate and Spygate is the Patriots recording the other teams on the sideline. Spygate is not a case into what is being filmed. Teams are allow to record games and other team's signals as long as they don't use the film for the same game but for future games. What is the rule that said it is not legal to tape other teams practice?? The rule states that it is not allowed to use video tape material to help a team during a "playing of a game". It didn't say a team can't record other teams' game or practices and use it for future games.

    http://www.nfl.com/static/content/pu...rs/pdf/co_.pdf
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