What to do during a back off

[blueman]

What do you guys normally do when getting backed off?

Do you leave immediately? Do you cash out?

My approach is different than this. I actually talk to them. I behave super friendly and just ask "so how long have you been watching me?" Or something like that. Then, if they respond with something friendly, like an answer, then i will continue to try to get information from them.

And it has worked very well.

I once got a pb to tell me about me being in griffin. I did not know i was in there, but do now. I once got another to tell me that they found me in osn.

One pb, the best back off of my life, was SUPER friendly and told me about how spanish21 was countable and that all the casinos im this area DO NOT share info/flyer and which places i should go play at next.

[seriousplayer]

I once got a pb to tell me about me being in griffin. I did not know i was in there, but do now. I once got another to tell me that they found me in osn.

Are you playing rated? If not did they take a picture of you. If the casino didn't do both how did they have a picture to put in the Griffin book. I don't think the casino uses the Griffin book anymore. I have been backed off before but I haven't heard that I was ever been in the Griffin book or OSN and I don't want to be in though databases because I don't know be in there a joy, pleasure, or regard with great respect. Some other AP might think that being the those database is a distinctive emblem of honor.

Anyways I would color up take my chips and left the casino when I got back off.

[Stealth]

There is nothing to be gained engaging them when you are backed off. This is the most insidious of impacts to an AP that is worse than bad variance. It takes away your ability to play!

My procedure is put chips in pocket, do not color up or cash out, do not respond, simply walk briskly to the nearest exit and leave the PROPERTY. Do not go to car if it is on their property! If you go to your car, then it will also be in the databases.

If you played rated then you can easily be looked up in Biometrica, OSN, Griffin, etc. If not then it is difficult for them to find you in these data bases without facial recognition. Those with facial recognition will find you walking through the casino. If you are in Biloxi, Las Vegas or some others likely venues then they will flyer you to all their friends.

Being backed off may only be an impact at one store or it may cause you a problem at many. This is why I continue to counsel that playing rated is a huge negative EV. By using comps you are accepting a tremendous discount on the future value of your play in their casino. The certainty equivalency of the gain from comps is far offset by the loss of future ev at one, and perhaps, multiple stores. I see so many "lone wolf" players feel "comfortable" that they have good cover all the way up to the point that they have no cover and now no ability to play. The loss of their income stream for the price of a buffet! (you get my point)

BTW, if you think they didn't get a picture of you then you are naive.


The only exception I know to this issue is if you are playing their "rewards" systems using slots/video games, etc.

[Freightman]

Standard advice is do not pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to jail. In other words, leave directly with your chips.

Is this a local backoff, backoff while rated, or backoff not rated. If you're a long term local, and assuming you haven't been a jerk, it's really not likely that you're going to get hassled by the cage. Don't worry about them getting a good mug shot, because I guarantee that they already have it. Some of my ,local places had personal info, others didn't. Only one of the places that didn't really tried. In fact, I had a $50 bet with a table mate that I had 10 minutes, if that, left. (There really was no point in going - it was clear that I was toast).

If you're playing rated, they already have your info. So again, let's say vegas where a lot of the joints are now charging for parking, I don't see a point not cashing out. If f you're not rated, but backed off where you're staying, as I was (I was stupid), and maybe I went to extremes - took a taxi to a close by venue, bought a ball cap and tee shirt, put he tee shirt over my shirt, wore the ball cap, took a taxi back to my hotel, and got some sleep. I bypassed my morning breakfast comps (yes, I was comped), got my wife to cash out for me, and went for breakfast at a local diner. She was a real trooper about it. If you are not rated, simp,y cash out at another time.

Adjust this commentary if you are dealing with larger cash amounts.

[seriousplayer]

There is nothing to be gained engaging them when you are backed off. This is the most insidious of impacts to an AP that is worse than bad variance. It takes away your ability to play!

My procedure is put chips in pocket, do not color up or cash out, do not respond, simply walk briskly to the nearest exit and leave the PROPERTY. Do not go to car if it is on their property! If you go to your car, then it will also be in the databases.

How do they know I am not using a rental car??? Careless if they put the rental car in the database.

[Freightman]

How do they know I am not using a rental car??? Careless if they put the rental car in the database.

By passes the advice of not going directly to your car. This is useful f you're in vegas, or some other venue that you have flown to and have rented a car. Remember though - take a camera picture of your rental contract, and leave the actual rental contract in your hotel room. That contract will identify you.

[seriousplayer]

Being backed off may only be an impact at one store or it may cause you a problem at many. This is why I continue to counsel that playing rated is a huge negative EV. By using comps you are accepting a tremendous discount on the future value of your play in their casino. The certainty equivalency of the gain from comps is far offset by the loss of future ev at one, and perhaps, multiple stores. I see so many "lone wolf" players feel "comfortable" that they have good cover all the way up to the point that they have no cover and now no ability to play. The loss of their income stream for the price of a buffet! (you get my point)

BTW, if you think they didn't get a picture of you then you are naive.


The only exception I know to this issue is if you are playing their "rewards" systems using slots/video games, etc.

What if playing rated gives you an additional edge? For example, so casinos offer player rebate on losses, match play coupons and some of their reward credits can be converted to free play.

[Freightman]

What if playing rated gives you an additional edge? For example, so casinos offer player rebate on losses, match play coupons and some of their reward credits can be converted to free play.

What if, what if what if.

If my bubble had baitsim, she would have been my zaidie.

[seriousplayer]

What if, what if what if.

If my bubble had baitsim, she would have been my zaidie.

Well, I play rated before at some casinos for the purpose of only receiving free room, free food, free play, and match plays. I use a break even bet spread there but the offers they give does give players an additional edge.

[Stealth]

What if playing rated gives you an additional edge? For example, so casinos offer player rebate on losses, match play coupons and some of their reward credits can be converted to free play.

If you are playing a quality game with an edge then they will add to your edge, SHORT-TERM, and then they will take away ALL of your edge. When face with the decision, I make it based on that play at that casino, after I do the math!

Having rebates that result in positive EV against a loss is rare. My statement stands, value your comps and then compare to the loss of play forever in the future.

[Stealth]

I use a break even bet spread there but the offers they give does give players an additional edge.

Yes, a valid use of the rated card with NO chance of being backed off.

[seriousplayer]

Yes, a valid use of the rated card with NO chance of being backed off.

Some player cards also offers cash back depending on your average bet.

[moo321]

Hit. The. Door.