Backoff poll

[Ryemo]

Not quite correct. They cannot bar you for counting cards;
but casinos "can" invent excuses, like drunkeness, profanity,
disorderly conduct, etc.

Oh I know. That's why I make sure not to give them any excuses to ban me for other reasons. If I can sense that I'm being watched or feel like trouble is brewing, then no alcohol, no profanity or heated arguments. I've heard of players getting evicted for simply consuming one beer. I'll be extra vigilant on my next visit.

[Bigdaddy]

I've heard of players getting evicted for simply consuming one beer.

Wow! I'm gonna be in big trouble in MO!

[Ryemo]

Wow! I'm gonna be in big trouble in MO!

Nah, you'll be ok. Many MO casino are pretty tolerant. I've just been hitting this place pretty hard for a while. Unfortunately, since I rotate only a few stores regularly, it's safe to say I'm pretty well known in my local area now. I would say I'm almost completely burned out in my neck of the woods, but I can still get down every once in a while (depending who's on or isn't on shift).

[Norm]

Well, looking over this poll, advantage play certainly is a glamorous vocation.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

A weird back-off (for me)
Today I was "flat-bet"
Why weird ?
I bet $25 to $75
I was down $500
Then the tap came.
I had only played that store once before and did very well;
but if they had marked me as a CC in the data base, they
would not have left me play for hours today.

I have been a black chip player at a sister property for
nearly two decades.

W. T. F. !

[RS]

A weird back-off (for me)
Today I was "flat-bet"
Why weird ?
I bet $25 to $75
I was down $500
Then the tap came.
I had only played that store once before and did very well;
but if they had marked me as a CC in the data base, they
would not have left me play for hours today.

I have been a black chip player at a sister property for
nearly two decades.

W. T. F. !

How many hours did you play after they flat-betted you? More curiously: Why?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"Once you're in the toaster (data base) you're pretty much toast. It would be interesting to read their notes about you. Fear is in the eyes of the beholder and you only have to scare one person in authority and ... "

Actually, I can see it from their (jaundiced) side.
Their competition has "dealer-dependent" pen',
while theirs are set by a (rather inviting) notch.

Their competition (clearly) deals 50% to players
who appear to be playing reasonably well and
(approx.) 75% to ploppies and ploppettes.

[bigplayer]

On my second visit, I was escorted out again and told I could be arrested next time for trespassing. Maybe they're full of shit and they're just trying to scare me, but I'm not sure I want to find out.

Depends on the quality of their record keeping and how they document the incident. You don't have to sign anything. If the business has contemporaneously documented the incident and gotten everyone involved to sign off on the report then it will hold up in court, especially if they have photos accompanying the incident that are date and time stamped. If a casino just adds a remark to your player card and does nothing else the trespass won't hold up. If backed off you want to just get out of the casino as fast as possible. The more you just hang around the more time they will have to gather the troops and do nasty things to you. If your card says "backoff/trespass on return" then you haven't legally been trespassed yet. Likewise, just being 86'd does not mean you've been trespassed. You can claim, at least on the first re-entry, that you thought it was only for that night or only for a year, etc. After repeated 86ings and/or trespassing it becomes a lot less plausible that you didn't know you weren't supposed to go in there. Stay away for a good while and only go back after a good amount of time has passed (a few years) or only if the ownership has changed and you've got a plausible defense to the trespassing charge. Go back repeatedly right away to the same casino owned by the same people and you've got a much greater chance of being arrested.

If you're backed off and stay away long enough and go back with a fresh card or unrated chances are the casino won't even realize you've had an issue there before, but you often need to stay away for years (3 to 5 years) if you've been playing there a long time. I've got places in my home state that I was backed off 15 years ago and still can't go back in there.

[Ryemo]

Depends on the quality of their record keeping and how they document the incident. You don't have to sign anything. If the business has contemporaneously documented the incident and gotten everyone involved to sign off on the report then it will hold up in court, especially if they have photos accompanying the incident that are date and time stamped. If a casino just adds a remark to your player card and does nothing else the trespass won't hold up. If backed off you want to just get out of the casino as fast as possible. The more you just hang around the more time they will have to gather the troops and do nasty things to you. If your card says "backoff/trespass on return" then you haven't legally been trespassed yet. Likewise, just being 86'd does not mean you've been trespassed. You can claim, at least on the first re-entry, that you thought it was only for that night or only for a year, etc. After repeated 86ings and/or trespassing it becomes a lot less plausible that you didn't know you weren't supposed to go in there. Stay away for a good while and only go back after a good amount of time has passed (a few years) or only if the ownership has changed and you've got a plausible defense to the trespassing charge. Go back repeatedly right away to the same casino owned by the same people and you've got a much greater chance of being arrested.

If you're backed off and stay away long enough and go back with a fresh card or unrated chances are the casino won't even realize you've had an issue there before, but you often need to stay away for years (3 to 5 years) if you've been playing there a long time. I've got places in my home state that I was backed off 15 years ago and still can't go back in there.

Thanks for the response BP. I don't think I'll ever re-visit this store again. Too sweaty. But if I ever have a change of heart, I'll be sure to wait at least a few years. LOL

[Ryemo]

I've been lucky enough to have never been back-roomed, evicted from my hotel (typically because I almost never play where I stay), arrested or assaulted. But I've fallen victim to everything else. The last time I was evicted from a P*N*K property, I was told I could face criminal charges for tresspassing. Even though I was not read a statute, nor was I asked to sign anything, I'll consider that as a trespass. And I have no intentions of going back to call their bluff LOL.

Since bigplayer revived this older post, I'll point out the irony of my original post on this thread. I was back-roomed about a month after I made the original post. AND NO... not by the place that 86'd/trespassed me. Different state and different company. Scary experience. Hope to never go through anything like that again.

And that place made me sign a trespass form and made it official. I suppose I could have refused to do so, but the casino was located in a bad neighborhood and the cop was threatening to take me to jail if I didn't sign. Given the amount of money I had on me, I was not really in the mood to go to jail that night.

[21forme]

You could have written next to your signature "signed under duress."

[Ryemo]

You could have written next to your signature "signed under duress."

You're right. I wish I would have thought of that at the time. It felt like it all happened so fast and I was just eager to leave. If I'm ever in that position again (which I hope I never am!) I will definitely remember to add that to my signature. But it seems like back-roomings are pretty uncommon. The chances I'll ever be in that position again (hopeful) is slim to non.

[Freightman]

You could have written next to your signature "signed under duress."

The other phrase is "signed in protest"