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    jblaze
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    jblaze: split stand surrender?

    I think this question has been asked before but I couldn't find it in a quick search...

    6d S17 das ls

    88 vs 9, 10, A. Split or surrender?

    Also, this situation arises very rarely, but 15 vs. 7 or similar hand, my surrender index is less than my stand index (17 vs. 22). What if the TC is >22, do I stand or surrender?

    Thanks

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: split stand surrender?

    > I think this question has been asked before but I
    > couldn't find it in a quick search...

    So, you don't have BJA3? :-)

    > 6d S17 das ls

    > 88 vs 9, 10, A. Split or surrender?

    BS is never to surrender 88, if S17. You split in all three cases. Note that, for 6D H17, you surrender vs. Ace.

    > Also, this situation arises very rarely, but 15 vs. 7
    > or similar hand, my surrender index is less than my
    > stand index (17 vs. 22). What if the TC is >22, do
    > I stand or surrender?

    I'd be willing to bet that if you poll every reader here, he/she has never encountered a TC of +22 in a six-deck shoe in his/her life.

    So, don't lose too much sleep over it ... and surrender. :-)

    Don

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    gramazeka
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    gramazeka: Re: split stand surrender?

    > I'd be willing to bet that if you poll every reader
    > here, he/she has never encountered a TC of +22 in a
    > six-deck shoe in his/her life.

    I am sorry Don, but I and my friend "alienated" faced with +22TC . It is the local TC.

    I am sorry for my bad English language.

  4. #4
    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: split stand surrender?

    > I'd be willing to bet that if you poll every reader

    > I am sorry Don, but I and my friend
    > "alienated" faced with +22TC . It is the
    > local TC.

    > I am sorry for my bad English language.

    May I ask, please, what you mean by "the local TC."

    Don

  5. #5
    jblaze
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    jblaze: Re: split stand surrender?

    Thanks for the answers, Don! 7,7 I would count as 14 I assume in a shoe game... and go with surrender index for 14 vs 10 if that situation arose? 7 is kind of a key card for holding a 14, but I imagine the effect is marginalized in a shoe game.

    > May I ask, please, what you mean by "the local
    > TC."

    > Don

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    Gramazeka
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    Gramazeka: Re: split stand surrender?

    > May I ask, please, what you mean by "the local
    > TC."

    > Don

    Sorry, local count conversion in TC.

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  7. #7
    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: split stand surrender?

    > Thanks for the answers, Don! 7,7 I would count as 14 I
    > assume in a shoe game... and go with surrender index
    > for 14 vs 10 if that situation arose?

    No, there's a separate index for the pair. It's usually one less than what a hard 14 is.

    Don

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    suicyco maniac
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    suicyco maniac: Re: split stand surrender?

    > I'd be willing to bet that if you poll every reader
    > here, he/she has never encountered a TC of +22 in a
    > six-deck shoe in his/her life.

    I once played a shoe game that dealt out 310 of the 312 cards (and would show both burn cards)when the shoe ran out they would shuffle and complete the round. Although my memory is not perfect I'm sure I must have encountered some TC's that high.

    That being said +22's are probably not encountered very often for most counters.


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    Gramazeka
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    Gramazeka: TC +22

    > I once played a shoe game that dealt out 310 of the
    > 312 cards (and would show both burn cards)when the
    > shoe ran out they would shuffle and complete the
    > round. Although my memory is not perfect I'm sure I
    > must have encountered some TC's that high.

    > That being said +22's are probably not encountered
    > very often for most counters.

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