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Thread: First time getting backed off for only winning a measly 200 dollars..

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    First time getting backed off for only winning a measly 200 dollars..

    I was only playing a standarded 6 deck early surrender dealer stay on H17 and 75% pen game... I was originally down 200 dollars from my game of baccarat... Than I started playing a nice plus count 8 shoe game with TC of 2 in the middle of the shoe game... I only initially had a bet spread of 1-5, got lucky with some juicy DD decided to increase my bet size to about 100 dollars. From there I decided to increase my bet range to 1-50 dollars, This time I bet 50 dollars got 11, with 8 and 3 card, I double down to hit 21 against the face card.. That is when I got the tap on my shoulder got ID and was escorted out of the casinos... I was not given any instructions as to why I must leave but to just leave the location immediately. I always seriously thought the casino would ONLY banned you if you are winning large sums of money. Than I realize the casino I was playing at was literally hurting for customers since most of the time this casino was literally dead..

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    A red chipper spreading 1-5 or even 1-10 in a shoe game gets ejected from the property with no warning? The casino offers early surrender and is hurting?

    Were you playing rated and do you have a prior history at this casino?

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    Nope... prior to this incident I only have won 300 dollars from that Casino!

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    Please explain why you gave up your ID???

    Ouchez

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    Quote Originally Posted by sickcalla View Post
    Than I realize the casino I was playing at was literally hurting for customers since most of the time this casino was literally dead..
    I guess you stood out with nothing else for surveillance to do or watch?
    Last edited by victorino; 12-18-2011 at 11:16 AM.

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    Backoffs

    I've had some backoffs. And a few have came during big losing seessions.
    Last edited by Solo player; 12-19-2011 at 05:14 AM.
    "I think, therfore I can't play blackjack."
    Arnold Snyder, Blackbelt in Blackjack pg. 229 (2005)

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    Hey... It was my first time getting backed off, I figured if I just cooperate it would deescalate the situation compare to if I gave the security guards a hard time... Now that I learn from my experience I will not show them my I.D. When I get back off
    BTW how the heck is a person backed off from big losing sessions...

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    Even when you are losing you're betting like a counter. Sometimes it's easier to catch you when you're losing because many a CC will tend to over-bet in that situation. The other thing that happens (happened to me), is you may have been ID'd as a counter at a prior session weeks before and when they saw you come in this time they had the EITS on you from the beginning and they were counting with you from the first card. It doesn't take long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaygruden View Post
    Even when you are losing you're betting like a counter. Sometimes it's easier to catch you when you're losing because many a CC will tend to over-bet in that situation. The other thing that happens (happened to me), is you may have been ID'd as a counter at a prior session weeks before and when they saw you come in this time they had the EITS on you from the beginning and they were counting with you from the first card. It doesn't take long.
    I'm pretty sure in my case I just played to long. Thinking I would be ok. Since I was losing.
    "I think, therfore I can't play blackjack."
    Arnold Snyder, Blackbelt in Blackjack pg. 229 (2005)

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    Solo, Sorry....I was speaking to the OP.

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    Very easy to get backed off when losing. Think about that monster shoe where nothing's going right and nearly every hand you're cashing in again. How many ploppies continue to dump large bets down the drain? If they have any prior info on you, or you stick around and bet min on the next shoe, you're most likely toast.

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    Sickcalla,

    I think it is important to identify who counted you down and made the decision. Who do you figure caught you, the pit or the eye? Sometimes a dealer will tip off the pit or eye, but usually when on break. As was mentioned, you may have been targeted from previous play, but winning 300 once wouldn’t do that, therefore this store has an eye or pit who doesn’t have much to do. Not a great store to go play BJ. Many of us have racked up more wins playing rated or anon and spread more and not bothered. The size of the casino and crowd might be the culprit.
    Getting backed off and escorted out with your play sounds ridiculous! Most stores let counters play up to a point because not all counters are dangerous. This place might tap a streak player too. sounds like they are paranoid and hit the tap button way too fast. Review your play carefully and try to figure where and how you exposed yourself. Reviewing your play after every session is always good. It allows you to estimate where you stand upon your next return.
    I will guess you got made by an eye with some down time and nothing better to do. I will also guess he wanted to show his worth and his report will be inflated. Whoever made the call to tap is a negative employee.

    Best to you at the next store!

    Babe

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    Your net win/loss for a particular session has almost no impact on whether or not you are 86'd.

    Your CUMULATIVE win, however, is a big red flag.

    Some of my 86'ings and "trespassing's" have occurred while losing 4 or 5 figure sums.

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