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    jblaze
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    jblaze: funding your play

    When you guys have a large trip bankroll, perhaps over 10K so it is illegal to fly with, how do you set up access to that? Do you link a bank account to a casino? Isn't that providing too much info to the casino?

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    LVBear584
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    LVBear584: Carrying cash is not illegal

    When you guys have a large trip bankroll, perhaps over
    10K so it is illegal to fly with, ...


    It is not illegal to fly with any amount of currency. why would you think it is?

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    My casino-related website: www.TheBearGrowls.com

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Yet:( *NM*


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    jblaze
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    jblaze: Re: Carrying cash is not illegal

    I thought you had to declare carrying over $10,000 on flights. But maybe I am making that up.

    > When you guys have a large trip bankroll, perhaps
    > over
    > 10K so it is illegal to fly with, ... It is not
    > illegal to fly with any amount of currency. why would
    > you think it is?

    > ----------------------------

    > My casino-related website: www.TheBearGrowls.com

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    Parker
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    Parker: Re: Carrying cash is not illegal

    > I thought you had to declare carrying over $10,000 on
    > flights. But maybe I am making that up.

    That is only for international flights.

    And having to declare it does not make it illegal.

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    Alexander Mundy
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    Alexander Mundy: Not illegal, but......

    may be subject to seizure:

    Across America, the Drug Enforcement Administration is seizing the luggage, cash and cars of hapless travelers. Under America's new civil forfeiture laws, mere possession of a large amount of cash or a drug dog barking at your luggage is sufficient probable cause for police to legally seize everything you are carrying.

    In Albuquerque, N.M., in February 2000, DEA agents detained Sam Thach, who was traveling on Amtrak from Fullerton, Calif., to Boston, and seized $147,000 in cash he was carrying. Thach had no drugs. His crime? He had bought a one-way ticket with cash and didn't give Amtrak his phone number.

    The DEA seized $640,000 from Jennifer Leigh Ames while she was traveling on Amtrak on April 5, 2001. Agents say she looked nervous and had refused permission to search her luggage.

    Former Newark, N.J., policeman Carlos Hernandez discovered police searching his Amtrak sleeper cabin and demanding to search his luggage on July 22, 1999. Hernandez?s crime? He?s Hispanic and paid for his $694 ticket in cash.

    At Houston?s Hobby Airport, police stopped 49-year-old Ethel Hylton and seized her luggage because a drug dog had scratched it. Agents searched her bags and strip-searched her but found no drugs. They did find $39,110 in cash from an insurance settlement and her life savings, accumulated through over 20 years of work as a hotel housekeeper and hospital janitor. Ms. Hylton completely documented where she had gotten the money and was never charged with a crime. But the police kept her money anyway. Destitute, she had no way to fight them.

    These outrageous seizures are completely legal and have been upheld by the highest courts in the land, including the U.S. Supreme Court.

    The DEA's Web site claims, "Property is seized by the DEA only when it is determined to be a tool for, or the proceeds of, illegal activities such as drug trafficking, organized crime, or money laundering." But the above examples show the reality.

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: TWH

    'Traveling While Hispanic.' Of course others can also be victims. You can even have your car seized. The worst abuse is having all your funds seized or frozen so you can't hire a lawyer to get it back. In Blackjack Blueprint Rick Blaine suggests carrying proof that you are a pro-gambler whenever carrying large amounts of cash.

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    Sun Runner
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    Sun Runner: What are we talking about?

    To JBLAZE .. it?s old news dude. No, it?s not illegal but you?ll have to deal with it. It?s not illegal to count, it?s not illegal to hole card, it?s not illegal to buy in or cash out for more than $10K but the system(s) in place out there makes us all do some stuff we otherwise would not.

    AM .. are we still talking about BJ players transporting cash on their persons, the risk involved, and how to minimize it or are you talking about something else?

    I?m just wondering because all four examples in your post, virtually every single word in your post was lifted verbatim (so much so some would say plagiarized) off one of any number of websites that use them as their poster children in their fight against all manner of ?system? evil (infringement of constitutional rights, government intrusions, racial profiling, greedy cops, etc.)

    > But the above examples show the reality.

    You mean that reality?

    In hopes Parker doesn?t bust this, I?ll limit what I started out to say. I don?t blame the system. For lack of a better term I blame the growing criminal element among us ?world wide. Yea, some of the creeps occupy the system but the vast majority are those out there who prey upon the poor, the weak, the uneducated, the infirm, the ignorant, the trusting, the unknowing or the unsuspecting.

    This is probably why I?m not cutting Steve Forte much slack at this point. Guilty or not of participation, he just contributed to being part of the problem. He presents himself as game protection, as a game protector. He's OK with watching a heist!? I don't care what he does in his free time but hell, if I were walking down the hall of a hotel and saw the lights, cameras, and action, I'd at least have the decency to go tell the hotel dick.

    BTW AM, you imply if not state directly that Ethyl Hylton was clean, that her money was obtained cleanly, and that she never got it back after eighteen years now gone by. Do you know this to be true? I?d like to know her facts.

    And Norm,

    > ?Traveling While Hispanic.' Of course others can also be victims.

    Gee, ya think? TWB has long been a problem for some people in this country. If the web-sites are to be believed, how about TOI95ISFWMTTHDIYP (?traveling on I-95 in South Florida with more than $300 in your pocket?) Apparently the ?system? is confiscating everyone of these finds also, white, black, brown, or other. What?s your point?

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    jblaze
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    jblaze: Re: What are we talking about?

    OK, let's all take a breath... what I was (am now) wondering is... if you're a black chipper, when you go to sit at the table, how do you buy in? Do you simply pull $3k out of your pocket? Do you have a line of credit established with the casino and get a marker? I've seen $1k buy-ins raise no suspicion, of course it is casino dependent. I can't say I have been privy to $3-5k buy-ins, but I have not been playing at these limits consistently. How much money is cool to throw on the table before they start worrying about why you have so much cash on hand?

    > To JBLAZE .. it?s old news dude. No, it?s not illegal
    > but you?ll have to deal with it. It?s not illegal to
    > count, it?s not illegal to hole card, it?s not illegal
    > to buy in or cash out for more than $10K but the
    > system(s) in place out there makes us all do some
    > stuff we otherwise would not.

    > AM .. are we still talking about BJ players
    > transporting cash on their persons, the risk involved,
    > and how to minimize it or are you talking about
    > something else?

    > I?m just wondering because all four examples in your
    > post, virtually every single word in your post was
    > lifted verbatim (so much so some would say
    > plagiarized) off one of any number of websites that
    > use them as their poster children in their fight
    > against all manner of ?system? evil (infringement of
    > constitutional rights, government intrusions, racial
    > profiling, greedy cops, etc.)

    > You mean that reality?

    > In hopes Parker doesn?t bust this, I?ll limit what I
    > started out to say. I don?t blame the system. For lack
    > of a better term I blame the growing criminal element
    > among us ?world wide. Yea, some of the creeps occupy
    > the system but the vast majority are those out there
    > who prey upon the poor, the weak, the uneducated, the
    > infirm, the ignorant, the trusting, the unknowing or
    > the unsuspecting.

    > This is probably why I?m not cutting Steve Forte much
    > slack at this point. Guilty or not of participation,
    > he just contributed to being part of the problem. He
    > presents himself as game protection, as a game
    > protector. He's OK with watching a heist!? I don't
    > care what he does in his free time but hell, if I were
    > walking down the hall of a hotel and saw the lights,
    > cameras, and action, I'd at least have the decency to
    > go tell the hotel dick.

    > BTW AM, you imply if not state directly that Ethyl
    > Hylton was clean, that her money was obtained cleanly,
    > and that she never got it back after eighteen years
    > now gone by. Do you know this to be true? I?d like to
    > know her facts.

    > And Norm,

    > Gee, ya think? TWB has long been a problem for some
    > people in this country. If the web-sites are to be
    > believed, how about TOI95ISFWMTTHDIYP (?traveling on
    > I-95 in South Florida with more than $300 in your
    > pocket?) Apparently the ?system? is confiscating
    > everyone of these finds also, white, black, brown, or
    > other. What?s your point?

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    Parker
    Guest

    Parker: Cash

    > OK, let's all take a breath... what I was (am now)
    > wondering is... if you're a black chipper, when you go
    > to sit at the table, how do you buy in? Do you simply
    > pull $3k out of your pocket? Do you have a line of
    > credit established with the casino and get a marker?
    > I've seen $1k buy-ins raise no suspicion, of course it
    > is casino dependent. I can't say I have been privy to
    > $3-5k buy-ins, but I have not been playing at these
    > limits consistently. How much money is cool to throw
    > on the table before they start worrying about why you
    > have so much cash on hand?

    Worry? They could not care less why you have a lot of cash, as long as your intent is to gamble with it in their casino. In casinos where big action is common it is not at all unusual to see people buy in with $2K or $5K bundles of Franklins with the bank wrappers still on them. Markers are also common, since many people don't like carrying large sums of cash. Either way is fine with the casino.

    Your curiosity is understandable. However, if you reach the point where you are playing at this level, and associating with others who do, it all falls into place.

    Those who do are understandably reluctant to discuss the details on a public forum.

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    Hard 8 :: ::
    Guest

    Hard 8 :: ::: Re: I once saw a kid...

    > ... buy in for 14k over a period of about thirty minutes. This was at the MIR a year or two ago. 4:30 in the AM, double deck, quarters. i.e. not the high roller room.

    I'm sitting there grinding it out heads up (the place was a tomb), when this kid, who looked about 21.2 years old, saunters up to the table, obviously just coming out of their "hip" nightclub. Had the right sticky-up haircut, the correct striped shirt with the tails hanging out. He smelled like a mix of cigarette butt and Calvin Decline, and was weaving slightly as he walked. Didn't even sit down, reaches into both front pockets in his too-tight jeans, and starts pulling out wads of hundreds, some banded, some not, piles it on the table.

    Pushes two grand into the betting square. Dealer: "Money plays." PC: "Go ahead". Count is minus 3. Kid loses. Kid pushes out three grand. Dealer: "Money plays." PC: "Go ahead". Kid loses. Kid looks up at me, sticks out his well-manicured hand: "Hi, I'm Darren," (or Chad or Brad, or Derrek, or whatever). Pushes out five. Same routine, loses. Buys a couple of purple and a couple black, bets up and down for a few hands, wins a couple, loses a couple. Chips gone, he pushes out his last five. Loses. Slams the table angrily, says he has to go catch some sleep, as his flight leaves at 9:00. Staggers off, muttering that if you're going to play this game, "Ya gotta have balls". I presume he meant ping-pong balls or something, packed into his cranium.

    I'd been flat-betting quarters this whole time, as the count never once went positive.

    14 grand in less than 20 minutes. All cash.

    Dealer and PC said nary a word.

    My wife once told me, "If you ever pay 14 thousand dollars for something, it better come with a garage." Obviously not this kid's (or his parents') philosophy.

    Although this was the most abrupt I have seen so far, it is not unusual at all to see these 21 year old kids throwing around thick wads of cash at the south end of the Strip. Mostly Manda Bay, Em Gee Em, NY NY; I don't get to the Bellag or Whin or Luzor much any more, but I presume it's just about as bad there, but for older people.

    Good luck. Do you know where your children are?

    :: ::

    OK, let's all take a breath... what I was (am now)
    > wondering is... if you're a black chipper, when you go
    > to sit at the table, how do you buy in? Do you simply
    > pull $3k out of your pocket? Do you have a line of
    > credit established with the casino and get a marker?
    > I've seen $1k buy-ins raise no suspicion, of course it
    > is casino dependent. I can't say I have been privy to
    > $3-5k buy-ins, but I have not been playing at these
    > limits consistently. How much money is cool to throw
    > on the table before they start worrying about why you
    > have so much cash on hand?

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    Norm Wattenberger
    Guest

    Norm Wattenberger: And an old story

    Long ago when the GN had no towers and didn't even fill the full block. Disheveled guy walks in. Several days facial hair, clothes that looked like he'd slept in them for a week. Walks up to the Craps table and asks the table minimum. Dealer wants to get rid of him. So he tells him the table max instead of the min. Guy pulls out a roll and bets the table max. Wins the bet. Says "press it." Dealer says he can't it's over the table limit. Guy asks how can twice the min be over the max. Dealer was fired.

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    Illusion
    Guest

    Illusion: Re: I once saw a kid...

    I walked into a high limit pit, just wanting to check it out. I didn't have the bank roll to be in there, or any real reason other then curiosity.

    Floor Sup asks me what I am doing, told him I was looking for my uncle as it?s almost supper time. I go walk over to another table, two intoxicated guys playing 2-3 purple chips on 2 spots each with a mountain of chips in front of them. I strike up a conversation. One guys tells me to sit down and play with them, pushes a stack of purple toward me. I sit down but don't play chat a bit more then, tell them I am going for supper.

    Not really the same kind of story, but its interesting to see how some people just through their money around.

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