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    jblaze
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    jblaze: Moving on up

    I'm looking for some advice on finding info... what are the best resources for dealing with casino comps? I am looking at the comp city book now, is that worthwhile? Does it discuss dealing with comps as an advantage player?

    Also, does the sky have direct contact with the casino host... or does the host just see your average bet and hours played when he decides whether to cover your stay?

    Has anyone ever been barred using Schlesinger's complete cover?

    If you get asked not to return to a Vegas casino, they have your ID info, but they did not read you any trespassing stuff, do you return? When?

    Thanks for any and all help!

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    jblaze
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    jblaze: Re: Moving on up

    PS Is Cellini's book worthwhile?

    > I'm looking for some advice on finding info... what
    > are the best resources for dealing with casino comps?
    > I am looking at the comp city book now, is that
    > worthwhile? Does it discuss dealing with comps as an
    > advantage player?

    > Also, does the sky have direct contact with the casino
    > host... or does the host just see your average bet and
    > hours played when he decides whether to cover your
    > stay?

    > Has anyone ever been barred using Schlesinger's
    > complete cover?

    > If you get asked not to return to a Vegas casino, they
    > have your ID info, but they did not read you any
    > trespassing stuff, do you return? When?

    > Thanks for any and all help!

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    PCF
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    Parker
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    Parker: Re: Moving on up

    > I'm looking for some advice on finding info... what
    > are the best resources for dealing with casino comps?
    > I am looking at the comp city book now, is that
    > worthwhile? Does it discuss dealing with comps as an
    > advantage player?

    It is written from the perspective of someone who wants to take full advantage of the casino comp system. That person could be an advantage player or simply a comp hustler. There is no discussion of things like cover or back-offs.

    > Also, does the sky have direct contact with the casino
    > host... or does the host just see your average bet and
    > hours played when he decides whether to cover your
    > stay?

    Surveillance has very little direct contact with any of the other employees. At some casinos they even enter through a separate entrance and have a separate break room. Hosts get their info from the player tracking system.

    > Has anyone ever been barred using Schlesinger's
    > complete cover?

    Well, "anyone" covers an awful lot of people. :-)

    Some sweatshops simply back off winning players. Keep playing long enough, regardless of what camo is used, and someone will notice that you are a long term winner and realize that something isn't right (from the casino's perspective).

    Nonetheless, this method is marvelously effective cover, simply because gives the impression that the player is using some sort of betting progression. Casinos love progressionists. :-)

    > If you get asked not to return to a Vegas casino, they
    > have your ID info, but they did not read you any
    > trespassing stuff, do you return? When?

    This is one of those "it depends" questions. What it depends upon are things such as how well established you were at the casino before the BO, how big is your action relative to the usual action at that casino, are you the sort of person that sticks in someone's memory, etc.

    Typically, you might try going back on a different shift after six months to a year.

    > Thanks for any and all help!

    You're welcome. Also, Celini's book is definitely "worthwhile," and as PCF mentioned, a good read as well.

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    jblaze
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    jblaze: Re: Moving on up

    Thanks, I will plan on buying the Celini book then. Also, any reviews on George C.'s advanced card counting, and the Pi-Yee poking surveillance in the eye?

    As I keep telling myself, blackjack is a game of give and take, give and take, give and take, and take!!

    > It is written from the perspective of someone who
    > wants to take full advantage of the casino comp
    > system. That person could be an advantage player or
    > simply a comp hustler. There is no discussion of
    > things like cover or back-offs.

    > Surveillance has very little direct contact with any
    > of the other employees. At some casinos they even
    > enter through a separate entrance and have a separate
    > break room. Hosts get their info from the player
    > tracking system.

    > Well, "anyone" covers an awful lot of
    > people. :-)

    > Some sweatshops simply back off winning players. Keep
    > playing long enough, regardless of what camo is used,
    > and someone will notice that you are a long term
    > winner and realize that something isn't right (from
    > the casino's perspective).

    > Nonetheless, this method is marvelously effective
    > cover, simply because gives the impression that the
    > player is using some sort of betting progression.
    > Casinos love progressionists. :-)

    > This is one of those "it depends" questions.
    > What it depends upon are things such as how well
    > established you were at the casino before the BO, how
    > big is your action relative to the usual action at
    > that casino, are you the sort of person that sticks in
    > someone's memory, etc.

    > Typically, you might try going back on a different
    > shift after six months to a year.

    > You're welcome. Also, Celini's book is definitely
    > "worthwhile," and as PCF mentioned, a good
    > read as well.

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