johnnaras: One2six Csm! Don help me...!!!

[johnnaras]

Hello Don!

I' m a professional greek counter and now with the invasion of Csm's in every casino of my country, I have been run out of business!
Surely the best way in contributing to their extinction is to not play them at all. But I' m not sure that this will work in the long run. You know why? Because I think there 'll always be an enormous number of obsessed gamblers or irrelevant/ignorant people who will continue to play blackjack, no matter what, therefore sustaining the existence of Csm?s in the casinos.

For that, I think it's time for us to get motivated in finding new ways -if possible- of beating those dreaded machines, like my "friend" James from Singapore successfully did with the king model.

But what about the "one2six" model? There is no detailed info in the US Patent office for that model. So I' m asking you or anyone else who might know
any exploitable info about them. Please do your best...I beg you!

[bjplayer]

> Hello Don!

> I' m a professional greek counter and now with the
> invasion of Csm's in every casino of my country, I
> have been run out of business!
> Surely the best way in contributing to their
> extinction is to not play them at all. But I' m not
> sure that this will work in the long run. You know
> why? Because I think there 'll always be an enormous
> number of obsessed gamblers or irrelevant/ignorant
> people who will continue to play blackjack, no matter
> what, therefore sustaining the existence of Csm?s in
> the casinos.

> For that, I think it's time for us to get motivated in
> finding new ways -if possible- of beating those
> dreaded machines, like my "friend" James
> from Singapore successfully did with the king model.

> But what about the "one2six" model? There is
> no detailed info in the US Patent office for that
> model. So I' m asking you or anyone else who might
> know
> any exploitable info about them. Please do your
> best...I beg you!

I am not Don,

and the chance he will answer to your question is 3-5%.

In general, use the search function of this board about CSMs.

For people who are interested , how the one2six machine
inside is working, I was maybe the only person, who was present when the machine was open and the cards were shuffled in, during a repairing procedure.

You know, that there is a wheel inside, but this wheel is moving BACK and FORWARD during the cards were introduced to each place in the wheel(The wheel is not moving in one direction!!). That means if 15 cards come from the last round, that the card from 2-15, may again come together with the first card from this slug or card number
8 touches card number 3 from the inserted slug. Every combination is possible and really random.

[7up]

> I am not Don,

> and the chance he will answer to your question is
> 3-5%.

> In general, use the search function of this board
> about CSMs.

> For people who are interested , how the one2six
> machine
> inside is working, I was maybe the only person, who
> was present when the machine was open and the cards
> were shuffled in, during a repairing procedure.

> You know, that there is a wheel inside, but this wheel
> is moving BACK and FORWARD during the cards were
> introduced to each place in the wheel(The wheel is not
> moving in one direction!!). That means if 15 cards
> come from the last round, that the card from 2-15, may
> again come together with the first card from this slug
> or card number
> 8 touches card number 3 from the inserted slug. Every
> combination is possible and really random.

There are about 1/40 of chance that card#8 is placed underneath of card#3, but not card#3 underneath card#8.

If card#8,#9,#10 are Aces, then when card#3(or #4 or #5) is dealt out, the chance of the next card being an ace is higher than normal.

[johnnaras]

> I am not Don,

> and the chance he will answer to your question is
> 3-5%.

> In general, use the search function of this board
> about CSMs.

> For people who are interested , how the one2six
> machine
> inside is working, I was maybe the only person, who
> was present when the machine was open and the cards
> were shuffled in, during a repairing procedure.

> You know, that there is a wheel inside, but this wheel
> is moving BACK and FORWARD during the cards were
> introduced to each place in the wheel(The wheel is not
> moving in one direction!!).
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I don't want to be the devil's advocate here, but if the wheel moves both directions shouldn't that be mentioned in the patent?
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That means if 15 cards
> come from the last round, that the card from 2-15, may
> again come together with the first card from this slug
> or card number
> 8 touches card number 3 from the inserted slug. Every
> combination is possible and really random.
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I 'll accept that only if card 8 comes on top of card 3 from previous round. Cards are moved from the machine one at a time and can only be placed on the top of one compartment due to gravitation reasons -I presume-. I cannot accept that a card just inserted in the machine can be placed ,let's say, in the middle of a compartment of the wheel which has for instance 5 cards. Therefore be placed in the third position of the 5 cards. That could cause a lot of damage to the machine due to crumpled cards.

I also want to ask you something else. Every Csm uses a buffer in the second card reciever-which works as a shoe- for dealing cards. What is that buffer in the one2six and what's the minimum number in it, in order for the machine to trigger unloading one compatment? For instance, in the King model that buffer is around 20 cards. Of course that can be changed but I don't think casino personnel would spend the time and effort needed to find out how to change the specifications of one machine.

Thank's in advance!
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[johnnaras]

> There are about 1/40 of chance that card#8 is placed
> underneath of card#3, but not card#3 underneath
> card#8.
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If I'm not mistaken the wheel has approximately 47-51 compartments.

I have the impression that cards are moved from the machine one at a time-as stated in the US patent office- and can only be placed on the top of one compartment due to gravitation reasons -I presume-. I cannot accept that a card just inserted in the machine can be placed ,let's say, in the middle of a compartment of the wheel which has for instance 5 cards. Therefore be placed in the third position of the 5 cards. That could cause a lot of damage to the machine due to crumpled cards.
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> If card#8,#9,#10 are Aces, then when card#3(or #4 or
> #5) is dealt out, the chance of the next card being an
> ace is higher than normal.

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Is there any way for us to determine the buffer of the second card reciever?

Thank's in advance!

[7up]

> If I'm not mistaken the wheel has approximately 47-51
> compartments.

Let us count from the link below:

> I have the impression that cards are moved from the
> machine one at a time-as stated in the US patent
> office- and can only be placed on the top of one
> compartment due to gravitation reasons -I presume-. I
> cannot accept that a card just inserted in the machine
> can be placed ,let's say, in the middle of a
> compartment of the wheel which has for instance 5
> cards. Therefore be placed in the third position of
> the 5 cards. That could cause a lot of damage to the
> machine due to crumpled cards.

Agree.
In my example, card#8 is placed on the top of card#3(the compartment is in the rear), means card#8 will be the next card of card#3 when they are dealt.

around 40 seats in the wheel

[johnnaras]

> Let us count from the link below:

> Agree.
> In my example, card#8 is placed on the top of
> card#3(the compartment is in the rear), means card#8
> will be the next card of card#3 when they are dealt.
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O.k. I saw the video and the woman dealer put her hand in 20 times!!!! Did she empty 2 compartments at a time?

I figured the num from the figures of the US patent office after counting one by one the compartments on fig.1 and it was about 49! Anyway...

Thanks a lot!
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