Myooligan: optimal entry/departure questions

[Myooligan]

I'm new to shoe play, so hopefully someone can help me out with these:

To consider the optimal shoe entry TC, I've been multiplying the SCORE by Rounds Played/Rounds Observed. ("Observed" meaning played or backcounted) In the game I'm looking at, this figure peaks when you come in at TC of +5 (using Zen). Does it make sense to use this approach and wait til +5 to jump in?

And a related question: If the above holds true, I plan to jump in at high TCs and simply spread 1-2 units, for camouflage purposes. Can I use (as a rough approximation) the optimal departure charts in BJA, and simply add +4 to the numbers on the y-axis (Since I'm coming in at +5 instead of +1)? Or is there a better way to determine when to leave the table?

[jblaze]

I'm not overly familiar with Zen, but optimal entry points depend on spread. The greater your spread the earlier you want to enter. From what I have seen, optimal entry points are usually at TC +1 or +2, the latter for multilevel counts... using reasonable spreads. When you close on flat betting, it is nearer 3. Use CVCX to be precise.

> I'm new to shoe play, so hopefully someone can help me
> out with these:

> To consider the optimal shoe entry TC, I've been
> multiplying the SCORE by Rounds Played/Rounds
> Observed. ("Observed" meaning played or
> backcounted) In the game I'm looking at, this figure
> peaks when you come in at TC of +5 (using Zen). Does
> it make sense to use this approach and wait til +5 to
> jump in?

> And a related question: If the above holds true, I
> plan to jump in at high TCs and simply spread 1-2
> units, for camouflage purposes. Can I use (as a rough
> approximation) the optimal departure charts in BJA,
> and simply add +4 to the numbers on the y-axis (Since
> I'm coming in at +5 instead of +1)? Or is there a
> better way to determine when to leave the table?

[Designated Driver]

> I'm new to shoe play, so hopefully someone can help me
> out with these:

Sorry I cannot help you out as I have been wondering about this too.

> To consider the optimal shoe entry TC, I've been
> multiplying the SCORE by Rounds Played/Rounds
> Observed. ("Observed" meaning played or
> backcounted) In the game I'm looking at, this figure
> peaks when you come in at TC of +5 (using Zen). Does
> it make sense to use this approach and wait til +5 to
> jump in?

Does BJA3 have "Scores" for Zen? I thought it was only for Hi-Lo and got the "World's Greatest Blackjack Simulation" by John Auston for Zen(and AOII).

You play Zen with the TC calculated to the nearest full deck? Just want to be clear. Don had once told me to calculate it to the nearest half deck.

Jumping in at a TC of +5. Is this when you have a corresponding advantage of about 2%(+5 TC x .5% + BSE, I'll assume about -.5% for shoe games)? I figure this count wouldn't occur too frequently and would require a lot of work(backcounting).

> And a related question: If the above holds true, I
> plan to jump in at high TCs and simply spread 1-2
> units, for camouflage purposes. Can I use (as a rough
> approximation) the optimal departure charts in BJA,
> and simply add +4 to the numbers on the y-axis (Since
> I'm coming in at +5 instead of +1)? Or is there a
> better way to determine when to leave the table?

Not sure. Departure charts, where are they? I just got my copy of BJA3 and haven't given it a thorough reading(past the first few chapters) yet. But in your experience is camouflage that necessary? I read a book(by some self proclaimed, but reputable expert) that said in over 20 years, he had seen only one counter, and the casinos themselves do not really care how someone plays, as long as they are not cheating(or winning excessively).

Sorry, I hope I didn't "highjack" your post, but given that you play Zen as well, I had some questions. Also, I've just missed talking to you.

Desi. D.