Artguy: 2Dk spreads

[Artguy]

I am wondering what the ideal spread is for a no-heat 2Dk game (S17 DA2 Ndas sp4 spA1 NS 80%pen $5-$100)using Kelly C.)

I normally do a 1-12 over two hands but in recent posts I have noticed that a 1-8 is recommended. If I went with a 1-8 spread would I play 1-6 on the first hand then drop back to 1-4 on two hands?

Thanks for the help

[Parker]

> I am wondering what the ideal spread is for a no-heat
> 2Dk game (S17 DA2 Ndas sp4 spA1 NS 80%pen
> $5-$100)using Kelly C.)

> I normally do a 1-12 over two hands but in recent
> posts I have noticed that a 1-8 is recommended. If I
> went with a 1-8 spread would I play 1-6 on the first
> hand then drop back to 1-4 on two hands?

> Thanks for the help

The "recommended" spreads should be considered minimum spreads. If you spread less than 1-8 on the typical 2D game, you may not be satisfied with the hourly EV.

In many DD games, spreading more than 1-8 (or even 1-8, for that matter) will draw unacceptable heat.

Bigger is better. The factors that normally limit spreads are heat and bankroll.

If this is truly a no-heat game, and your bankroll can handle it, the ideal spread would be $5 - 2x$100 (or even 3x$100). This is nearly the same as wonging out on negative counts.

[Praying Mantis]

> If this is truly a no-heat game, and your bankroll can
> handle it, the ideal spread would be $5 - 2x$100 (or
> even 3x$100).

I agree that bigger is better with spreading; however, I take exception to your point of a "truly a no-heat game". I believe an attitude like that will come back to haunt you one day...do we not take into account the "Eye" any longer?

Regards,
PM

[Artguy]

> The "recommended" spreads should be
> considered minimum spreads. If you spread less than
> 1-8 on the typical 2D game, you may not be satisfied
> with the hourly EV.

> In many DD games, spreading more than 1-8 (or even
> 1-8, for that matter) will draw unacceptable heat.

> Bigger is better. The factors that normally limit
> spreads are heat and bankroll.

> If this is truly a no-heat game, and your bankroll can
> handle it, the ideal spread would be $5 - 2x$100 (or
> even 3x$100). This is nearly the same as wonging out
> on negative counts.

Parker,

What would the betting ramp look like for this kind of spread? Would it be a hyper variation of Kelly? BTW, this is the only casino I would take this kind of liberty at. The PB is an AP, knows who I am and is very tolerant of my action even though I win...but I don't go there too often (3-5x/yr)

[SOTSOG]

> I am wondering what the ideal spread is for a no-heat
> 2Dk game (S17 DA2 Ndas sp4 spA1 NS 80%pen
> $5-$100)using Kelly C.)

> I normally do a 1-12 over two hands but in recent
> posts I have noticed that a 1-8 is recommended. If I
> went with a 1-8 spread would I play 1-6 on the first
> hand then drop back to 1-4 on two hands?

> Thanks for the help

A typical 2dk spread looks like this:
+0 - 1 unit
+1 - 2 units
+2 - 3 units
+3 - 5 units
+4 - 7 units
+5 - 8 units

Now to reduce variance, you might not double your bet on the +1 counts and what for a +2 to increase in your bet (and try to bet less than 1 unit, or not play if possible, on negative counts).

To increase your spread, increase the jump on +4 and +5 counts, don't mess with the lower counts, and if you see the rare +6 or more -- hammer them with 15 unit bet.

[Hard 8 :: ::]

Although it may be less than mathematically optimal, a ramp that goes:

-4 Bathroom
-3 to +1 1 unit
+2 2 units
+3 4 units
+4 8 units

allows a purely parlayed approach, that helps make you look like a regular, boring gambling schlub who occasionally goes on a tear. On some high count winning streaks a ten-unit bet will still fit my bankroll. Under heavy scrutiny, I often bet two units off the top.

Regarding the -4, I have tried higher numbers, but some days it seemed like I was running to the bathroom every few minutes. Even an old guy like me shouldn't have to go that often :-)

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> A typical 2dk spread looks like this:
> +0 - 1 unit
> +1 - 2 units
> +2 - 3 units
> +3 - 5 units
> +4 - 7 units
> +5 - 8 units

> Now to reduce variance, you might not double your bet
> on the +1 counts and what for a +2 to increase in your
> bet (and try to bet less than 1 unit, or not play if
> possible, on negative counts).

> To increase your spread, increase the jump on +4 and
> +5 counts, don't mess with the lower counts, and if
> you see the rare +6 or more -- hammer them with 15
> unit bet.