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    the gambler
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    the gambler: playable rules??????

    Just travelling. Here are the rules: 6 decks, surrender vs. 10 and smaller. But: Only doubling vs. 10,11 and NOT doubling after split.(One split allowed)
    What can I do. Is this game playable?
    Which spread necessary and mustfollow BS because no double after split??

    Thanks for answers.

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    Parker
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    Parker: Need more info

    > Just travelling. Here are the rules: 6 decks,
    > surrender vs. 10 and smaller. But: Only doubling vs.
    > 10,11 and NOT doubling after split.(One split allowed)
    > What can I do. Is this game playable?
    > Which spread necessary and mustfollow BS because no
    > double after split??

    > Thanks for answers.

    H17 or S17? Do you mean that the player can surrender vs 10 before the dealer checks for an ace? Or is this an ENHC game?

    Most importantly, what is the penetration like? This, more than anything else, will determine if the game is worth playing despite the poor rules.

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    the gambler
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    the gambler: Re: Need more info

    > H17 or S17? Do you mean that the player can surrender
    > vs 10 before the dealer checks for an ace? Or is this
    > an ENHC game?

    > Most importantly, what is the penetration like? This,
    > more than anything else, will determine if the game is
    > worth playing despite the poor rules.

    It is s17. The dealer checks only for BJ, when ace showing.
    surrender vs. 10 possible.
    The pen is like 1.5/6. I hope you give positive answer, because very nice area here.

    Thank you.

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    Parker
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    Parker: Re: Need more info

    > It is s17. The dealer checks only for BJ, when ace
    > showing.
    > surrender vs. 10 possible.
    > The pen is like 1.5/6. I hope you give positive
    > answer, because very nice area here.

    Why, thank you. Unfortunately, I cannot turn a bad game into a good one, and what you describe sounds pretty bad.

    I'm still not clear on surrender. If you surrender vs 10, and the dealer ends up having a blackjack, do you lose all your bet or half your bet?

    It probably doesn't matter. I assume that, by "1.5/6" you mean that the dealer cuts off 1.5 decks with the cut card. This is not very good penetration. Unless you can play heat-free with a huge spread (say, 1-20), you're probably better off simply avoiding this game.

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    the gambler
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    the gambler: Re: Need more info

    > Why, thank you. Unfortunately, I cannot turn a bad
    > game into a good one, and what you describe sounds
    > pretty bad.

    > I'm still not clear on surrender. If you surrender vs
    > 10, and the dealer ends up having a blackjack, do you
    > lose all your bet or half your bet?

    > It probably doesn't matter. I assume that, by
    > "1.5/6" you mean that the dealer cuts off
    > 1.5 decks with the cut card. This is not very good
    > penetration. Unless you can play heat-free with a huge
    > spread (say, 1-20), you're probably better off simply
    > avoiding this game.

    When I surrender vs. ten, I already lost half of my bet.
    In the case of double. vs. 10, I lose when dealer has BJ, all. The positive thing, no heat. Heads up(high TC frequency). 1-20 spread possible. ST sometimes easy.
    Would you play this game? I dont know, how much Not doubling after split hearts the AP, but at a high TC 4 or 5,
    my edge is still 1% or 1,5% ?

    You must give me positive answer, because when I describe you this place, you will stay your life here. Marble floor, waterfall, palms, beach 200m, 24 hours play

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    Hard 8 :: ::
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    Hard 8 :: ::: Re: Consider these numbers

    > It is s17. The dealer checks only for BJ, when ace
    > showing.
    > surrender vs. 10 possible.
    > The pen is like 1.5/6. I hope you give positive
    > answer, because very nice area here.

    > Thank you.

    I just took a minute to go to bjstats.com and plug in a few numbers, including a bunch of assumptions for numbers you didn't provide. Entering S17, 6-Deck, Pen 1.5/6 (1.5 decks remaining at shuffle), Using Hi-Lo, I-18, and the the Fab 4 Surrenders, Late Surrender allowed, and no double after split, it says: Score = 28. For a bankroll of $10k, with a bet spread of 1-16 (i.e. betting ramp from $5 to $80) it shows a win rate of $15.53/hr.

    Since your game allows late surrender only on some occasions, consider what happens to the numbers if you take out late surrender from this combination altogether: Score 17, Win Rate $8.59. So your numbers would be somewhere in between these two sets.

    Also, since your game allows doubling only on 10 & 11, all of these numbers will be on the high side, as this rule really puts a ding in your advantage.

    So, is this a "playable game"? Seems pretty crummy to go pursuing with a $10 k bankroll. Depends on what you're looking for. Changes in your bankroll beyond what is assumed above can have a sizable impact on these numbers. You may want to check out what happens if you change it.

    If you're looking for some casual recreational play between visits to Vegas, or other vastly more profitable venues, you may be happy with it.

    If you're a casino checking this website to see if you're safe from counters, some low roller mopes like myself will still be after you.

    Luck,

    :: ::

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    Parker
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    Parker: Re: Need more info

    > When I surrender vs. ten, I already lost half of my
    > bet.

    Right. In a normal late surrender game, if the dealer subsequently has a blackjack, you will also lose the other half. If you don't lose the other half, then you have a form of surrender known as ES10, which is better than late surrender, although not being able to surrender vs ace is bad.

    > In the case of double. vs. 10, I lose when dealer has
    > BJ, all.

    Ouch! This is similar to ENHC (European No Hole Card). This is bad.

    > The positive thing, no heat. Heads up(high TC
    > frequency). 1-20 spread possible. ST sometimes easy.

    There is no heat because the game is borderline unplayable.

    If the game has a trackable shuffle, well, that changes everything. However, I'm not a tracker, and besides, it is generally not a wise idea to discuss specific shuffles on an open message board.

    > Would you play this game?

    No. As I have often said, life is too short to play bad blackjack.

    > I dont know, how much Not
    > doubling after split hearts the AP, but at a high TC 4
    > or 5,
    > my edge is still 1% or 1,5% ?

    You still have an edge at high counts. The problem is that the rules limit your ability to get more money on the table when you have an edge.

    > You must give me positive answer, because when I
    > describe you this place, you will stay your life here.
    > Marble floor, waterfall, palms, beach 200m, 24 hours
    > play

    Las Vegas is full of gorgeous elegant casinos with lousy blackjack games. San Diego even has a few.

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