George: Australian Casino Blackjack

[George]

Blackjack in Australia even with counting experiance you still need alot of luck. The blackjack game over here is designed so that the dealer only receieves 1 card, he does not recieve a face down making it much harder for for the dealer to bust. I have also noticed over the years of playing that the game is much more even with only a few players rather than 5, 6 or 7. Also it is best to play amoungst experianced players, 70% of my loses while raising my bet during a favourable deck was due to players drawing cards when they should not have going directly against basic strategy. Any help or advice on my current situation? Thanks.

[smokey]

> Blackjack in Australia even with counting
> experiance you still need alot of luck. The
> blackjack game over here is designed so that
> the dealer only receieves 1 card, he does
> not recieve a face down making it much
> harder for for the dealer to bust. I have
> also noticed over the years of playing that
> the game is much more even with only a few
> players rather than 5, 6 or 7. Also it is
> best to play amoungst experianced players,
> 70% of my loses while raising my bet during
> a favourable deck was due to players drawing
> cards when they should not have going
> directly against basic strategy. Any help or
> advice on my current situation? Thanks.

I have some great advice for you!

1. The fact that the dealer doesn't take a face down card has no bearing on whether he/she will bust, and makes no difference to the house advantage.

2. Playing with smart/dumb players also has no effect (in the long run) on your winnings or losses.

[Parker]

> Blackjack in Australia even with counting
> experiance you still need alot of luck. The
> blackjack game over here is designed so that
> the dealer only receieves 1 card, he does
> not recieve a face down making it much
> harder for for the dealer to bust. I have
> also noticed over the years of playing that
> the game is much more even with only a few
> players rather than 5, 6 or 7. Also it is
> best to play amoungst experianced players,
> 70% of my loses while raising my bet during
> a favourable deck was due to players drawing
> cards when they should not have going
> directly against basic strategy. Any help or
> advice on my current situation? Thanks.

Sorry to break it to you , but you are laboring under several misconceptions.

1. The type of game you are referring to is known as "no hole card." Waiting to take the second card until after the players have played out their hands does not make the dealer any more or less likely to bust.

2. The only thing the number of players at the table has any major effect upon is the speed of the game. If you're not counting cards, slowing the game down actually works in your favor by reducing the number of hands/hour and hence the effect of the house advantage.

3. The play of the other players has no effect on your game. In the long run, a misplay by another player will help you just as often as it will hurt you.

Variance in the game of blackjack is so high that it is difficult, if not impossible, to make valid conclusions based purely upon personal playing experience.

[George]

"No hole card", is it also played at US casinos?

[buccaneer]

> Blackjack in Australia even with counting
> experiance you still need alot of luck. The
> blackjack game over here is designed so that
> the dealer only receieves 1 card, he does
> not recieve a face down making it much
> harder for for the dealer to bust. I have
> also noticed over the years of playing that
> the game is much more even with only a few
> players rather than 5, 6 or 7. Also it is
> best to play amoungst experianced players,
> 70% of my loses while raising my bet during
> a favourable deck was due to players drawing
> cards when they should not have going
> directly against basic strategy. Any help or
> advice on my current situation? Thanks.

re ozi casinos, as other posters have pointed out your comments are typical of an inexperience player influenced by self doubt and misconceptions.

in general casinos down under offers games of 6 and 8 decks. rules varies , typically nhc obbo d9,10,11, s17, no resplit aces , das , split to 3 hands , casinos that ofers d any 2 cards also takes all bets on dealer bj. shuffles range from asm. csm and hs depeding on where you play. penetration is typically 65% - 80% depending on individual dealers. no tokes are permitted. heat is ok unless you behave like an ap or an ah and speak like an outsider it is a fact that more so called aps are thrown out because of their belligerent and obnoxious behaviour other than for their playing skill.

all capital cities have at least one casino offering games from marginal to exploitable if you are skillful .

cheers

buccaneer

[Clown]

...in Australia is: It's true that it makes zero difference whether the card comes out earlier or later, it's still random, thanks to the shuffle. However, with the dealer's second card being dependant upon how many cards the players pull, rather than already waiting there face down, the ploppies can become VERY belligerent when they disagree with the player at third base, as they seem to think that their play directly influences the outcome, and they can be quite vocal about it. This ranting and raving perpetuates the myth that having a certain type of player at third base makes a difference to your outcome.

[Geoff Hall]

> ...in Australia is: It's true that it makes
> zero difference whether the card comes out
> earlier or later, it's still random, thanks
> to the shuffle. However, with the dealer's
> second card being dependant upon how many
> cards the players pull, rather than already
> waiting there face down, the ploppies can
> become VERY belligerent when they disagree
> with the player at third base, as they seem
> to think that their play directly influences
> the outcome, and they can be quite vocal
> about it. This ranting and raving
> perpetuates the myth that having a certain
> type of player at third base makes a
> difference to your outcome.

It also applies to third base with a hole card. For example, you are sitting at third base, with 16 verses dealer 10. You hit and receive a face card, dealer then turns over a 6 in the hole and draws a 5 to make 21.

That usually causes a few grumbles between the ploppies.

Best regards

Geoff

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