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Thread: Bettie: Note to gamblers: You're being watched and tracked

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    Bettie
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    Bettie: Note to gamblers: You're being watched and tracked


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    The Phantom
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    The Phantom: Re: Note to gamblers: You're being watched and tra

    By whom?

    We know about the casinos; but do you mean to imply that by participating in any BJ online forum, one is being tracked?

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    Parker
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    Parker: Read the article in the provided link *NM*


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    The Phantom
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    The Phantom: Counter-Catchers & Online Tracking

    Have now read the article re casino play tracking.

    If I were a professional counter-catcher I would be watching and tracking online BJ postings, to see if one could correlate the names and/or hints about the
    players/participants on any such forum, particularly for players who seem to know what they're talking about.

    Even if you supply information only about your e-mail address, there are programs (even on Yahoo) that try to match e-mail addresses for you with the actual person.

    My suggestion is this: Go to mail.com. This is a free service and so does not require input of any credit card information. Use an alias name and false address (far from home) and false phone number when signing up. There is nothing illegal about this. With an e-mail address established in this way, your identity cannot be discovered from online postings or even with e-mails to and from such an e-mail mailbox.

    Now the disadvantage. ('There's no such thing as a free lunch.) Mail.com & others, being free, provide neither spam-filtering nor virus-protection. Most viruses and Trojans, nowadays, get into your pc via e-mail, particularly if you open an e-mail attachment. So your computer could be infected and crash.

    The solution to the disadvantage:

    Keep on your computer the following programs, some of which are free, all of which are top-notch:

    1. Antivir Antivirus (also known as AVPersonal)

    and/or Solo Antivirus 2.5
    2. NoAdware
    3. SpyBot 1.3
    4. X-Cleaner
    5. Trojan Remover (set to run at every startup)
    6. Registry First Aid
    7. Norton Utilities (Norton SystemWorks)

    One-Button Check-Up

    Run the virus checker(s) daily.
    Run the others once a week, each on a staggered day.

    (Of course, a pc user should do this or something like it anyway.)

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    Parker
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    Parker: E-mail security

    One should always assume that anything posted will be read by casino personnel. We know for a fact that they monitor these pages. A few of them even post openly.

    As far as e-mail, note that it is not required to give an e-mail address in order to post here. It isn't even required in order to create a profile and get bypass moderation status.

    However, it is nice to give an e-mail address in case someone wants to contact you. Even here it is important to remember that anyone can pretend to be anyone in cyberspace, and that "newbie" complementing you on your brilliant post and asking all sorts of questions may be someone else entirely.

    Everyone wishing to provide an e-mail address should create and use one exclusively for their blackjack-related postings, and it should have no connection to their real identity. Obviously, if your name is Joe Blow, using [email protected] to post with is not very smart. Likewise, if you work for Acme Corp., using [email protected] isn't very smart either.

    However, it doen't necessarily have to be web-based e-mail. Most ISP's allow you to have several e-mail accounts for each account, and there is no way that anyone can connect [email protected] with [email protected]. It is possible to determine what part of the country you are posting from with POP3 based e-mail.

    Again, the important thing is that the address you use for blackjack-related posting does not have any connection to your real identity anywhere on the Internet.

    (Disclaimer: All of the above examples are fictitious. If any of them are actual e-mail addresses, it is purely by coincidence.)

    As for spyware/malware/viruses, etc., you will find several threads discussing these on our Computing for Counters page. Personally, I recommend dumping Windows and running Linux. Or buying a Mac.

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    Carl Dalten
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    Carl Dalten: Re: Counter-Catchers & Online Tracking

    > Even if you supply information only about
    > your e-mail address, there are programs
    > (even on Yahoo) that try to match e-mail
    > addresses for you with the actual person.

    I have 4 yahoo accounts, none of which have my real information. Yahoo has a spam filter and a virus scan for emails, 100mb of free space and they don't require a credit card . My pop3 accounts are only given to family and friends.

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    Brick Waller
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    Brick Waller: WANTED CASINO TROLL!!$!$!#

    I can see it now in the newspapers,"Wanted Casino Troll" casino pays a troll $30,000 a year to catch a card counter on the internet who sneaks in our casino,GOOD LUCK!

    After 1 year of trolling and lurking the employee has indentified an internet card counter visiting the casino with an ev of 25 dollars an hour,the counter usually plays short one hour sessions,but since the counter was caught by the casino troll,he was barred immediately. TOTAL ANNUAL SAVINGS FOR CASINO...IS NEGATIVE--- $29,075.00----

    GOOD WORK BOY'S...wow,look at the odds,let's do it again!!!
    _

    > Have now read the article re casino play
    > tracking.

    > If I were a professional counter-catcher I
    > would be watching and tracking online BJ
    > postings, to see if one could correlate the
    > names and/or hints about the
    > players/participants on any such forum,
    > particularly for players who seem to know
    > what they're talking about.

    > Even if you supply information only about
    > your e-mail address, there are programs
    > (even on Yahoo) that try to match e-mail
    > addresses for you with the actual person.

    > My suggestion is this: Go to mail.com. This
    > is a free service and so does not require
    > input of any credit card information. Use an
    > alias name and false address (far from home)
    > and false phone number when signing up.
    > There is nothing illegal about this. With an
    > e-mail address established in this way, your
    > identity cannot be discovered from online
    > postings or even with e-mails to and from
    > such an e-mail mailbox.

    > Now the disadvantage. ('There's no such
    > thing as a free lunch.) Mail.com &
    > others, being free, provide neither
    > spam-filtering nor virus-protection. Most
    > viruses and Trojans, nowadays, get into your
    > pc via e-mail, particularly if you open an
    > e-mail attachment. So your computer could be
    > infected and crash.

    > The solution to the disadvantage:

    > Keep on your computer the following
    > programs, some of which are free, all of
    > which are top-notch:

    > 1. Antivir Antivirus (also known as
    > AVPersonal)

    > and/or Solo Antivirus 2.5
    > 2. NoAdware
    > 3. SpyBot 1.3
    > 4. X-Cleaner
    > 5. Trojan Remover (set to run at every
    > startup)
    > 6. Registry First Aid
    > 7. Norton Utilities (Norton SystemWorks)

    > One-Button Check-Up

    > Run the virus checker(s) daily.
    > Run the others once a week, each on a
    > staggered day.

    > (Of course, a pc user should do this or
    > something like it anyway.)

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    Sun Runner
    Guest

    Sun Runner: Re: E-mail security

    > It is possible to
    > determine what part of the country you are
    > posting from with POP3 based e-mail.

    1.) How close can this determination be; regional, state, county, city, lot and block?

    2.) If emailing through YAHOO! is it possible for a receiver of said email to make this same determination?

    Thanks Parker.

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    Parker
    Guest

    Parker: Re: E-mail security

    > 1.) How close can this determination be;
    > regional, state, county, city, lot and
    > block?

    It cannot easily be determined any closer than city, sometimes no closer than regional, and occasionally not at all without advanced hacking.

    > 2.) If emailing through YAHOO! is it
    > possible for a receiver of said email to
    > make this same determination?

    No. This would be one of the advantages of using web-based e-mail.


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    The Phantom
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    The Phantom: Re: WANTED CASINO TROLL!!$!$!#

    I can't see that it would be worth it to a casino.

    I can see it as worth it in the mind of a counter-catcher who thinks it might look impressive to his boss.

    Along the way, a heavy-hitter might get busted. That's the point.

    I would think that cautiousness here is merely an adjunct to keeping all the odds in your favor.

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    Saboteur
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    Saboteur: Right

    There's no real cost in adding this to the list of things some already-employed surveillance weenie could do. Several casinos could theoretically pool resources for a task like this, especially in the current "gaming conglomerate" business structure.

    I just don't think that the benefits would outweigh even a small cost. Not predictably, any way.

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