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    No Heat - how long would you play

    You're an advantage player in a casino with no heat. Playing heads up at whatever unit level with the appropriate bankroll. A minimal ror as discussed by the Forum guru or other professional bj writers. 6D, LS DAS, 4.5 pen or 2D , NS DAS 60 cards pen. The only difference is, no heat.

    Since you're not worried about getting backed off, how long would you play? Obviously if you had the bad side of the curve, you might run out of your playing bankroll. Some questions related to this:

    1. Would you take your entire bankroll to offset the possibility of some bad sessions.
    2. What would limit your play:
    a. time - play for fixed period of time and take a break regardless of your win/loss state.
    b. money - won a certain number of units.
    c. something else.

    Yes, you can take breaks, rest, have food, all the things you need to do to maintain optimal advantage playing conditions.

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    Define "no heat"—is it simply the perception that there's no heat, or is this a hypothetical world where such a thing exists? If it's the latter, then my answer would be that I would play indefinitely, unless opportunity cost (e.g., I have a better opportunity elsewhere) is a factor.

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    If getting backed off is not a concern, treat it like a job and crank out as many hours as you can while it lasts. You might even consider getting a corporate type furnished apartment. You want your + flux to be the flux that burns the play out. If the play can support more players you might consider organizing a team, if the play cannot support multiple players you should keep your mouth closed about it and just play it like a pitbull. These are not the sort of things you should milk as they always eventually come to an end either via positive flux from a group of players or a random management change to someone who has a different philosophy regarding game management.

    I'll add, I've had several plays like this over the years like this. Isle of Capri in Lake Charles put in a 2D game back in the early 2000's that had three tables of which at least half the players at any given time of the day or night were teams and oddly enough it was a square player from Houston that caught the big flux and forced a management change. The Dog Track in West Memphis was a dream double deck game with 50% pen but s17 ds and late surrender...and heads up you could play 200+ hands an hour and there were lots of electronic malfunctions that resulted in free-rolls...eventually the big team from New Jersey burned it out. Neither of these opportunities did I play as much as I could have and both were a 3 to 5 hour drive from my home. Today I have a few plays like that and I play them like a pitbull and I'm usually either at one or the other and rarely play anywhere else except a few times a year.

    Remember your competition is not just the casino, it's also other AP's and it's also time before the inevitable bad month forces a management change. These casino managers move around constantly (like football coaches). Each one has his own playbook and once it's installed your great game often turns into crap.
    Last edited by bigplayer; 05-13-2012 at 01:48 PM.

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    Thanks bp...especially for the last paragraph.

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